Best V8 sound?

[GoCougs]

Apparently you haven't either since the Super Cobra Jet went into production in 1969 and Cobra production stopped in 1967.? The Cobra used a 260, then a 289, then a 390, and last but certainly not least, the 427 side oiler.

Lots of engines, including 428 SCJs, have found their way into AC Cobras, both new and old.

[hounddog]

Lots of engines, including 428 SCJs, have found their way into AC Cobras, both new and old.

However, my original post stands.  Nothing sounds as good as the 427 Super Cobra Jet.  Game over. 

Can you agree with that, Hemi? 

[SVT666]

Wrong song, Mary.? They started out with those engines, and it was the 289 which made the car legendary.? However, in 1965, Carroll Shelby wanted faster, much faster cars and introduced the 427 and eventually the 428.? You may wish to do a little more research.

edit= you are right, I should not have included the SCJ moniker to my post.? However, what I also should have included was the keyword, "aftermarket" or something thereof.? Thanks for keeping me from slacking, hemi.

No problem.  I guess I don't have to tell you to do a little more research huh? 

[SVT666]

Lots of engines, including 428 SCJs, have found their way into AC Cobras, both new and old.

Shelby never put one in it.  If you have seen one then it's most likely a replica because most people have kept the originals...original.

[SVT666]

However, my original post stands.? Nothing sounds as good as the 427 428 Super Cobra Jet.? Game over.?

Can you agree with that, Hemi??

My favourite Cobra and my favourite sounding Cobra is the 427 side oiler.  The 428 or 429 Super Cobra Jet Mustangs were amazing.

[SVT666]

Wrong song, Mary.? They started out with those engines, and it was the 289 which made the car legendary.? However, in 1965, Carroll Shelby wanted faster, much faster cars and introduced the 427 and eventually the 428.? You may wish to do a little more research.

edit= you are right, I should not have included the SCJ moniker to my post.? However, what I also should have included was the keyword, "aftermarket" or something thereof.? Thanks for keeping me from slacking, hemi.

Shelby never put a 428 in the Cobra and the SCJ, which was a 428 in 1969 and a 429 in 1971, never made it's way into an original Shelby Cobra either.  Maybe in the aftermarket like you said, but Shelby didn't put them in.

[GoCougs]

Shelby never put one in it.? If you have seen one then it's most likely a replica because most people have kept the originals...original.

Houndog said nothing about originality, however.

[SVT666]

Houndog said nothing about originality, however.

I want to put an '03 Cobra motor into a Factory Five replica.  That or a 347 Stroker.

[GoCougs]

I want to put an '03 Cobra motor into a Factory Five replica.? That or a 347 Stroker.

Sounds good - personally I'd opt for a 400+ ci Windsor stroker small block, with full roller valvetrain and MP fuel injection.

[SVT666]

Sounds good - personally I'd opt for a 400+ ci Windsor stroker small block, with full roller valvetrain and MP fuel injection.

That would be cool too.  Why the Windsor over the Cleveland?

[GoCougs]

That would be cool too.? Why the Windsor over the Cleveland?

I'm not much of a Ford guy, but from listening to my friends that are, the Windsor is the "better" of the two, especially for street modding purposes. I know there are a lot more after market parts (most importantly, heads). IIRC, it is the smaller block as well.

[SVT666]

I would take the Windsor too, but I was just wondering why you would cause I know you aren't a Ford guy.

[ChrisV]

Shelby never put a 428 in the Cobra and the SCJ, which was a 428 in 1969 and a 429 in 1971, never made it's way into an original Shelby Cobra either.  Maybe in the aftermarket like you said, but Shelby didn't put them in.

Wrong. Many of the 427 cars had 428s in them stock, at the end of the production run where costs were trying to be kept down, and Ford had a problem delivering the side-oiler 427s...

http://www.prc68.com/I/CSX3282.shtml

[omicron]

I seem to recall reading of 428s going into Mark III Cobras, too.

The lovely AC Frua had the 428, if I remember rightly.

[SVT666]

Wrong. Many of the 427 cars had 428s in them stock, at the end of the production run where costs were trying to be kept down, and Ford had a problem delivering the side-oiler 427s...

http://www.prc68.com/I/CSX3282.shtml

I'm confused because Shelby's own website doesn't list the 428 as one of the engines put in the Cobra.  It lists the 427 side oiler as the largest engine installed by Shelby.

[ChrisV]

I'm confused because Shelby's own website doesn't list the 428 as one of the engines put in the Cobra.  It lists the 427 side oiler as the largest engine installed by Shelby.

yeah, but most written histories of them, including some of my '60s car magazines, make mention of it. And as you can see, that CSX had the 428. Most of the CSX3200-CSX3300 cars were 428 powered.

http://www.ritzsite.net/AC_Cobra/05_cobra.htm

http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexperience.cgi?experience_id=597

[SVT666]

Interesting.  I wonder why Shelby doesn't acknowledge this fact.

[ChrisV]

Interesting.  I wonder why Shelby doesn't acknowledge this fact.

Shelby doesn't acknowledge a lot of things. But the SAAC has them all recorded.

[Northlands]

Italian V8's ftw for me. Breathtaking sound.

Second place would be Ford's 5L motor. Pretty distinct sounding and my favorite of all American 8 cyls.

[hounddog]

Shelby doesn't acknowledge a lot of things. But the SAAC has them all recorded.

http://www.fordcobraengines.com/cobra_engine%20history.htm

Here is the real history of the Cobra and the 427 / 428 debate.?

[SVT666]

http://www.fordcobraengines.com/cobra_engine%20history.htm

Here is the real history of the Cobra and the 427 / 428 debate.?

They build and ship 15 different engines for Cobra replicas.? That's so freaking awesome.

EDIT:? I was thinking about it.? The 03 Cobra motor probably won't fit under the hood of a Cobra.? I would have to go with a 351W or 347 Stroker if I built one.

[hounddog]

They build and ship 15 different engines for Cobra replicas.? That's so freaking awesome.

EDIT:? I was thinking about it.? The 03 Cobra motor probably won't fit under the hood of a Cobra.? I would have to go with a 351W or 347 Stroker if I built one.

I found that site awhile ago when I was considering building one.? And then I got the cost sheet.?

[FoMoJo]

That would be cool too.? Why the Windsor over the Cleveland?

Mentioning the Cleveland reminds me of one the better sounding street applications for an American V8.? ?The 1971 Pantera.? It had a 351 Cleveland "Boss", I believe, mounted in the back with headers and a pretty short freeflow dual exhaust system.? I don't believe that there was a cross pipe.



Back in the '70s, most mornings, I would hear one launch down a piece of road that ran by the apartment building I lived in at the time.? Beautiful, beautiful sound.? I was driving a '67 Mark II Sunbeam Tiger (with a 289 HiPo) at the time.? I couldn't really decide which sound I liked the best.

As for the Cleveland vs. the Windsor, the Cleveland 4V (carburettor) was a better performing street engine than any Windsor because of the heads they used...although they also used the same heads on the Boss 302 (Windsor).? Both were good engines but they only made the Cleveland small-block for a dozen years.? The Windsor has an incredible racing legacy that spans the most hallowed racetracks of the world, as well as an abundant aftermarket.

[Soup DeVille]

I'm confused because Shelby's own website doesn't list the 428 as one of the engines put in the Cobra.? It lists the 427 side oiler as the largest engine installed by Shelby.

I don't know that there's an actual displacement difference between the 427 and the 428- the number may have been changed only to differentiate between the two.

The Shelby book I have does not break out production from between the 427s and the 428s, but it does list both engines as being installed.

[omicron]

I don't know that there's an actual displacement difference between the 427 and the 428- the number may have been changed only to differentiate between the two.

The Shelby book I have does not break out production from between the 427s and the 428s, but it does list both engines as being installed.

I believe (but am certainly open to being proved wrong) that the 427 is in fact 425 cubic inches, whereas the 428 is a true 428 cubic inches.

[cawimmer430]

Why no Lexus 4.3 and 4.6 V8 option? And why no Lexus IS-F?

[JYODER240]

Why no Lexus 4.3 and 4.6 V8 option? And why no Lexus IS-F?

The Lexus 4.3 actually sounds pretty good if you unhook the exhaust after the cats. The problem is the mufflers strangle any bit of noise out.

[sportyaccordy]

Why no Lexus 4.3 and 4.6 V8 option? And why no Lexus IS-F?

And yea the choice is obvious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAkspWdG2AE

[ChrisV]

The Lexus 4.3 actually sounds pretty good if you unhook the exhaust after the cats. The problem is the mufflers strangle any bit of noise out.

Like I said before, I'm hoping that the Lexus 4.0 V8 will sound good with a hot rod style, no-cat exhaust on it AND a manual trans with a light flywheel for quick revs...