The Craigslist/eBay/AutoTrader Thread

Started by TheIntrepid, November 08, 2007, 07:42:21 PM

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MrH

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CaminoRacer

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MrH

Quote from: Rockraven on September 20, 2017, 08:21:03 AM
Shit, that's a pretty good deal.

997.2 is the one to get.  That's when you get direct injection and no more IMS issues.  The base 997.2 almost makes the same power as the 997.1 Carrera S.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 20, 2017, 08:51:41 AM
I didn't realize they made 4x4 911s

Coilovers!
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Payman

Quote from: MrH on September 20, 2017, 09:04:07 AM
997.2 is the one to get.  That's when you get direct injection and no more IMS issues.  The base 997.2 almost makes the same power as the 997.1 Carrera S.

Coilovers!

What years are the 997.2 cars?


Soup DeVille

Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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MrH

Quote from: Rockraven on September 20, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
What years are the 997.2 cars?

2009 is when they started.  It's the mid cycle refresh of the 997.
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2023 BRZ Limited

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Laconian

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AutobahnSHO

Will

68_427

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i was sat at home drinking brake fluid when wife ring
'racecar is die'
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AutobahnSHO

lol good point.

But my van weighs 2 tons too, so that one is kinda moot. This would handle better. I hope. :mask:
Will

FoMoJo

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on September 21, 2017, 06:22:03 AM
lol good point.

But my van weighs 2 tons too, so that one is kinda moot. This would handle better. I hope. :mask:
Maintenance on a 13 year old Audi.  I can't imagine the cost...
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Payman



Was that designed by H.R. Giger?

Seriously, I've read that's a nightmare of an engine when things break.

68_427

Quote from: Rockraven on September 22, 2017, 05:49:27 AM


Was that designed by H.R. Giger?

Seriously, I've read that's a nightmare of an engine when things break.

The S4 and A6 Allroad had this chain engine, while the other cars with the 4.2 at the time had a belt driven set up.  The chain version was designed because it fits in a shorter engine bay.

But yeah they could have done better.
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i was sat at home drinking brake fluid when wife ring
'racecar is die'
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GoCougs

Quote from: Rockraven on September 22, 2017, 05:49:27 AM


Was that designed by H.R. Giger?

Seriously, I've read that's a nightmare of an engine when things break.

All DOHC vee motors are nightmares when things break. At least what Audi did here is use only three chains whereas some motors (like Ford's modular/Coyote) use four. But in this day and age it's pretty easy to design and build a DOHC vee motor such that pretty much nothing (mechanical) breaks over its designed service life.


Payman




The 5.0 Coyote has 2 main chains and 2 connecting ones. Much simpler and robust design.

Cookie Monster

I can't even tell WTF is going on with those Audi chains.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 22, 2017, 03:27:48 PM
I can't even tell WTF is going on with those Audi chains.

I count four.

It's not the number that would worry me, but the extra wear from constantly going in curves much bigger than what a normal tensioner would require.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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FoMoJo

Quote from: GoCougs on September 22, 2017, 10:11:22 AM
All DOHC vee motors are nightmares when things break. At least what Audi did here is use only three chains whereas some motors (like Ford's modular/Coyote) use four. But in this day and age it's pretty easy to design and build a DOHC vee motor such that pretty much nothing (mechanical) breaks over its designed service life.

3?  You sure about that? :hmm:
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RomanChariot

Quote from: FoMoJo on September 22, 2017, 04:44:30 PM
3?  You sure about that? :hmm:

There appears to be 3 chains that are handling the timing from the crankshaft to the camshafts. I can't tell what the 4th chain is for. I wonder if it is for some sort of dry sump lubrication system?

Soup DeVille

Yeah, not quite sure what the front chain there is. It doesn't look like it drives the cams anyways, so technically three would be right.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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GoCougs

Quote from: Rockraven on September 22, 2017, 03:27:13 PM



The 5.0 Coyote has 2 main chains and 2 connecting ones. Much simpler and robust design.

I take that back - looks like the Audi does have four chains.

The Ford doesn't look simpler to me. In fact having those two "main" chains without active tensioning looks a bit sketchy.

Remember, this version of the Audi 4.2 had the chains on the rear of the motor, so you're seeing stuff that has to be there such as sensors, water ports, starter motor.


GoCougs

Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 22, 2017, 04:52:17 PM
Yeah, not quite sure what the front chain there is. It doesn't look like it drives the cams anyways, so technically three would be right.

Starter motor drive (which is on the lower left).

Soup DeVille

Quote from: GoCougs on September 22, 2017, 04:56:57 PM
Starter motor drive (which is on the lower left).

According to Audi literature, it's the variable timing chain, which runs off the oil pump.
Also, this is the rear of the engine, and the parts alone cost something on the order of 3 grand.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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RomanChariot

Also, this engine has to be removed from the car to be able to do work on any of the timing equipment.

Payman

Quote from: GoCougs on September 22, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
I take that back - looks like the Audi does have four chains.

The Ford doesn't look simpler to me. In fact having those two "main" chains without active tensioning looks a bit sketchy.

Remember, this version of the Audi 4.2 had the chains on the rear of the motor, so you're seeing stuff that has to be there such as sensors, water ports, starter motor.



C'mon man, you think the Ford guys are idiots? It not only looks way simpler, it IS way simpler. I'm sure they also engineered in chain tensioning.

Soup DeVille

Quote from: Rockraven on September 22, 2017, 05:57:22 PM
C'mon man, you think the Ford guys are idiots? It not only looks way simpler, it IS way simpler. I'm sure they also engineered in chain tensioning.

I don't see or hear of many Coyotes having timing chain problems.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Payman

"The Ford doesn't look simpler to me".  :wtf: