BMW announces US 1-Series pricing

[Raza]

You do know that Oldsmobile sells 0 cars, right?

[CJ]

[TurboDan]

You do know that Oldsmobile sells 0 cars, right?

Well, if Audi sold the A3 with a diesel engine, they'd sell at least 1.  Take that Oldsmobile!

[r0tor]

It's a high priced premium brand small car, and you want them to put a diesel in it and sell it in the US?  They'd sell fewer cars than Oldsmobile.

i saw a 1er coupe diesel was tested in europe... 7.0 sec 0-60 time, same torque as the 135i, lighter then the 135i, twin turbo so great throttle response, and got the equivalent of 45mpg highway...

i think there would be a market for it

[Raza]

i saw a 1er coupe diesel was tested in europe... 7.0 sec 0-60 time, same torque as the 135i, lighter then the 135i, twin turbo so great throttle response, and got the equivalent of 45mpg highway...

i think there would be a market for it

I doubt it.  People here don't like diesels in cars.  Being quick and efficient is nothing new for diesels.

[FordSVT]

Most of N.A.'s recent experience with diesels is through VW. If everyone had time behind the wheel of a 1.8-2.0L TD Jetta or Passat they might be converted. However, a certain type of person likes VWs, everyone else keeps their distance. When Honda and other manufacturers start making good diesels for their cars people might try them.

There is the matter of diesel availability, many stations don't carry it and I think the perception is exaggerated even more amongst people who've never considered a diesel.

And then there's the smell. Never underestimate the smell.

[Raza]

Most of N.A.'s recent experience with diesels is through VW. If everyone had time behind the wheel of a 1.8-2.0L TD Jetta or Passat they might be converted. However, a certain type of person likes VWs, everyone else keeps their distance. When Honda and other manufacturers start making good diesels for their cars people might try them.

There is the matter of diesel availability, many stations don't carry it and I think the perception is exaggerated even more amongst people who've never considered a diesel.

And then there's the smell. Never underestimate the smell.

From what I'm told, newer diesels don't really smell, and are quite quiet. 

Back in 1999, my brother almost got an E300 diesel, but surprisingly it was my dad who convinced him to get the petrol E320. 

[FordSVT]

I was talking more about the actual fuel. When you pump diesel you can smell it on you an hour later.

[Raza]

I was talking more about the actual fuel. When you pump diesel you can smell it on you an hour later.

Oh.  I can't say I've ever pumped diesel.

[MX793]

Oh.  I can't say I've ever pumped diesel.

As someone who worked around the stuff and ended up spilling it on himself on a semi-frequent basis, let me tell you that it's a smell that doesn't wash off easily.  Even after scrubbing up with industrial strength hand cleaners like LAVA soap, you can still smell a hint of it on you.

[Raza]

As someone who worked around the stuff and ended up spilling it on himself on a semi-frequent basis, let me tell you that it's a smell that doesn't wash off easily.  Even after scrubbing up with industrial strength hand cleaners like LAVA soap, you can still smell a hint of it on you.

I'm trying to remember if I ever have.  We got rid of our 300SD before I got my permit, and although I drove it on a few occasions, but I can't remember pumping diesel into it as a kid.  I do remember putting petrol into our S320 though.

[Eye of the Tiger]

As someone who worked around the stuff and ended up spilling it on himself on a semi-frequent basis, let me tell you that it's a smell that doesn't wash off easily.  Even after scrubbing up with industrial strength hand cleaners like LAVA soap, you can still smell a hint of it on you.

Gasoline doesn't exactly wash right off, either.
Anyway, it wouldn't be hard to make diesel smell better. The oil companies can just buy out AXE Body Spray and put the stuff directly  into the fuels. There really is no good excuse for all mainstream cars and trucks not switching to diesel, except for pure ignorance.

[MX793]

Gasoline doesn't exactly wash right off, either.
Anyway, it wouldn't be hard to make diesel smell better. The oil companies can just buy out AXE Body Spray and put the stuff directly  into the fuels. There really is no good excuse for all mainstream cars and trucks not switching to diesel, except for pure ignorance.

Gasoline comes off a hell of a lot easier than diesel.  I ended up dribbling a little gas on my hands pretty frequently when I used to ride dirtbikes as a kid.  Without even washing my hands, the smell would be mostly gone after a couple of hours.  Meanwhile, when I was turning wrenches for a trucking company, I'd change a fuel filter and even after several hours and washing my hands multiple times after that, I could still smell diesel on me.

[Tave]

Gasoline evaporates faster, does it not?