Autox / Track Tires FYI

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the Teuton

#60
March 30, 2008, 12:00:37 AM
Supposing you have a 7" rim then, what do you want?  205/55?  205/50?  225/50?

My speedometer means nothing to me, so count that out of the equation.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

280Z Turbo

#61
March 30, 2008, 12:07:00 AM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 30, 2008, 12:00:37 AM
Supposing you have a 7" rim then, what do you want?  205/55?  205/50?  225/50?

My speedometer means nothing to me, so count that out of the equation.

Either one. Some people say 205s handle better on 7" rims than 225s.

the Teuton

#62
March 30, 2008, 01:16:56 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 30, 2008, 12:07:00 AM
Either one. Some people say 205s handle better on 7" rims than 225s.

These tires will be on my car if it makes it to the track, so help me out here.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

heelntoe

#64
March 30, 2008, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 29, 2008, 01:13:38 PM
I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Take a look at any racecar. Wider is better.
from what i undersand(could be wrong) wider tyres are used only to put the massive amounts of power down, but for handling, thinner tyres of stickier compound are better.
@heelntoe

the Teuton

#65
March 30, 2008, 12:25:30 PM
These tires seem to be a great value, and I was riding in a car with these, if not similar tires, last night, and they gripped like hell.  I'm liking them.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II&partnum=05WR6HTRZ2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=1
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

Raza

#66
March 30, 2008, 12:59:44 PM
Drag slick up front, racing slicks at the back.  It's the only way to roll.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
If you can read this, you're too close

2006 BMW Z4 3.0i
http://accelerationtherapy.squarespace.com/   @accelerationdoc
Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

280Z Turbo

#67
March 30, 2008, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on March 30, 2008, 12:14:44 PM
from what i undersand(could be wrong) wider tyres are used only to put the massive amounts of power down, but for handling, thinner tyres of stickier compound are better.

You are wrong.

Thinner tires can make the steering feel more crisp, but for quick lap times, wider is better.

280Z Turbo

#68
March 30, 2008, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Raza  on March 30, 2008, 12:59:44 PM
Drag slick up front, racing slicks at the back.  It's the only way to roll.

You really don't know much about bias ply racing tires, do you?

r0tor

#69
March 30, 2008, 05:17:06 PM
225's are perfect ofr 8" wide rims... you don't want bulging sidewalls for performance tires
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee No Speed -- 2004 Mazda RX8 6 speed -- 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia All Speed

the Teuton

#70
March 30, 2008, 08:06:32 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 30, 2008, 05:17:06 PM
225's are perfect ofr 8" wide rims... you don't want bulging sidewalls for performance tires

So I want 205/50s or 205/55s, IYHO?
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

Middle_Path

#71
March 30, 2008, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 30, 2008, 12:25:30 PM
These tires seem to be a great value, and I was riding in a car with these, if not similar tires, last night, and they gripped like hell.  I'm liking them.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II&partnum=05WR6HTRZ2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=1

Well, I was going to recommend these, but they may not be as economical for you since you aren't even sure you will be racing yet.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE-01R&partnum=055VR6RE01R&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=0
You see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?!!

r0tor

#72
March 31, 2008, 06:23:57 AM
off subject but I put my summer tire/wheels (RE050A's) back on yesterday and driving is so much more enjoyable again... my car once again my car has no tire noise, razor sharp responses, and lots of grip.

yay for summer tires and b00 for sn0w tires
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee No Speed -- 2004 Mazda RX8 6 speed -- 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia All Speed

Champ

#73
March 31, 2008, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 31, 2008, 06:23:57 AM
off subject but I put my summer tire/wheels (RE050A's) back on yesterday and driving is so much more enjoyable again... my car once again my car has no tire noise, razor sharp responses, and lots of grip.

yay for summer tires and b00 for sn0w tires
Snowing here :(

Supposed to get 8"

Raza

#74
March 31, 2008, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 30, 2008, 01:20:49 PM
You really don't know much about bias ply racing tires, do you?

You didn't think I was being serious about that, did you?

I also told Teuton to put sugar in his gas tank when storing his car. 
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
If you can read this, you're too close

2006 BMW Z4 3.0i
http://accelerationtherapy.squarespace.com/   @accelerationdoc
Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

ChrisV

#75
March 31, 2008, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 30, 2008, 08:06:32 PM
So I want 205/50s or 205/55s, IYHO?

These are 225/50-15s on 15x7s. Perfect size for autocrossing the 7.



The setup was recommended by a multi-time national champion who sets up a lot of race cars.
Like a fine Detroit wine, this vehicle has aged to budgetary perfection...

the Teuton

#76
March 31, 2008, 02:21:09 PM
So 225/50R16s are fine on my 16x7 wheels then?
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

280Z Turbo

#77
March 31, 2008, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: Raza  on March 31, 2008, 01:08:40 PM
You didn't think I was being serious about that, did you?

I also told Teuton to put sugar in his gas tank when storing his car. 

That's fine. Sugar doesn't do anything.

r0tor

#78
March 31, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 31, 2008, 02:21:09 PM
So 225/50R16s are fine on my 16x7 wheels then?

do you value pure grip or handling/response ?
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee No Speed -- 2004 Mazda RX8 6 speed -- 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia All Speed

280Z Turbo

#79
March 31, 2008, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 31, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
do you value pure grip or handling/response ?

Many racers say you win by cramming on the fattest tire that the rim will accept. I've also heard that doing this hurts grip. :huh:

r0tor

#80
March 31, 2008, 05:57:05 PM Last Edit: March 31, 2008, 05:59:03 PM by r0tor
you have to really go to the extreme to start to loose traction.  What ultimately ends up happening is during corner the sidewall/shoulder starts to get used for traction rather then the designed contact patch as the tire rolls over.

My personal thought is unless your at a national competition level, I'd choose a better feel over the tenth of a second advantage your giving up.  It just makes the experience more enjoyable IMO.
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee No Speed -- 2004 Mazda RX8 6 speed -- 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia All Speed

the Teuton

#81
March 31, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: r0tor on March 31, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
do you value pure grip or handling/response ?

The car is going to still have 110 hp for at least the immediate future.  Wide tires look badass, but I have no idea how much they're going to accomplish on a car so slow.  I want it to be fun.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

ChrisV

#82
March 31, 2008, 08:16:14 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 31, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
The car is going to still have 110 hp for at least the immediate future.  Wide tires look badass, but I have no idea how much they're going to accomplish on a car so slow.  I want it to be fun.

You're not talking the difference between 205s and 275s here. Just one size up, not even an inch difference in overall width. It will improve the grip, and the 50 series sidewall will allow good response and progressive breakaway vs a shorter sidewall. If you were contemplating going to 255s, 275s, or even 315s on your car, I'd avise you to stay away, but the 225s will work great on there both with the hp you're making now and with any improvements to the car you make later.
Like a fine Detroit wine, this vehicle has aged to budgetary perfection...

r0tor

#83
April 01, 2008, 06:31:12 AM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 31, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
Wide tires look badass, but I have no idea how much they're going to accomplish on a car so slow. 

IMO wider tires look badass on a wide rim when the sidewall is straight up and down and not bulging (in which case i think it looks just like ass)... plus on a slow car larger tires will weigh more and slow you down more
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee No Speed -- 2004 Mazda RX8 6 speed -- 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia All Speed

Eye of the Tiger

#84
April 03, 2008, 12:36:47 PM
Quote from: Champ on March 29, 2008, 10:41:29 AM
Falken's are mounted up and in my possession!

Looking forward to it warming up a bit so I can really test them out.

I just ordered a set of Azenis for the Jetta! Let's start an Azenis Alliance! I will be President and Founder, of course. I hereby offer you the position of Vice President, but according to the bylaws, you can make your own position. I hear there is an opening for Secretary of Rubber.
2008 TUNDRA (Truck Ultra-wideband Never-say-die Daddy Rottweiler Awesome)

the Teuton

#85
April 03, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
Nick, where from?
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

Eye of the Tiger

#86
April 03, 2008, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on April 03, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
Nick, where from?

edgeracing.com for $288 shipped
2008 TUNDRA (Truck Ultra-wideband Never-say-die Daddy Rottweiler Awesome)

the Teuton

#87
April 03, 2008, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 03, 2008, 01:07:40 PM
edgeracing.com for $288 shipped

I might have to visit this site.  That's a really good deal.  14s?
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

Eye of the Tiger

#88
April 03, 2008, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on April 03, 2008, 01:09:29 PM
I might have to visit this site.  That's a really good deal.  14s?

195/60/14

i also tried vulcantire.com, but they only had one tire in stock
2008 TUNDRA (Truck Ultra-wideband Never-say-die Daddy Rottweiler Awesome)

NomisR

#89
April 03, 2008, 01:18:53 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 03, 2008, 12:36:47 PM
I just ordered a set of Azenis for the Jetta! Let's start an Azenis Alliance! I will be President and Founder, of course. I hereby offer you the position of Vice President, but according to the bylaws, you can make your own position. I hear there is an opening for Secretary of Rubber.

rt605?
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