Cooper S JCW or Clubman S?

[MX793]

I don't care about your damn finance calculations and your hatrid of horsepower. Cars are rarely good investments and I like going fast. If you hate the 135i and all you really want is a 128i, fine. But considering everything the 135i adds for the price, it's a no brainer. Anyone with that much money to fork out on a small coupe shouldn't have any problems paying an extra $4-5k. If they do, maybe they should be looking at Suzuki Renos, instead.

Besides the engine, xenons, and track-grade brakes (which someone who never goes to the track likely won't appreciate or even notice), what goodies does the 135i offer over the significantly cheaper 128 w/ sport package?

[CALL_911]

Besides the engine, xenons, and track-grade brakes (which someone who never goes to the track likely won't appreciate or even notice), what goodies does the 135i offer over the significantly cheaper 128 w/ sport package?

For me, that's more than enough to offset the price difference.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Besides the engine, xenons, and track-grade brakes (which someone who never goes to the track likely won't appreciate or even notice), what goodies does the 135i offer over the significantly cheaper 128 w/ sport package?

You can get silver aluminum interior trim at no extra charge. 
If you love the 128i, good for you. This is a fucking stupid arguement.

[MX793]

Oh, and the 135i actually doesn't have the whole sport package standard, only the sport suspension and performance tires.  The sport seats and other little features are extra as part of a "sport package".

[Eye of the Tiger]

Oh, and the 135i actually doesn't have the whole sport package standard, only the sport suspension and performance tires.  The sport seats and other little features are extra as part of a "sport package".

All I want are the suspension and tires.

[TBR]

So there's a complete set of toggle switches...and they look so cool.  Also, when we get fog, it's seriously thick.  The last time we had fog was last week, and you couldn't see the Integra from the front windows of my house. 

Hardly seems worth a $100 to be able to see behind you as you back down your drive way.

[hotrodalex]

Hardly seems worth a $100 to be able to see behind you as you back down your drive way.

If you have fog often, I think it's worth it. And it's not just for you to see, it's for others to see you.

[TBR]

Yes, in reading the second page I realized that. We don't get much fog here.

[Raza]

I don't care about your damn finance calculations and your hatrid of horsepower. Cars are rarely good investments and I like going fast. If you hate the 135i and all you really want is a 128i, fine. But considering everything the 135i adds for the price, it's a no brainer. Anyone with that much money to fork out on a small coupe shouldn't have any problems paying an extra $4-5k. If they do, maybe they should be looking at Suzuki Renos, instead.

I said nothing about the car.  Your assertion that 4 or 5 thousand dollars compared to an overall price of 30 thousand dollars is nothing is absolutely ridiculous.  It has nothing to do with the cars.  It could be any other pair of automobile you want to talk about. 

MX had a nice explanation.  If you can afford 15K, why can't you afford 20?  If you can afford 20, why not 30?  If 30, why not 50?  If 50, why not 100? 

You're being ridiculous. 

[Soup DeVille]

Hardly seems worth a $100 to be able to see behind you as you back down your drive way.

That's not what they're for. Those are back-up lights.

A rear fog light is an extra bright red taillight on one side of the car only. It's meant to let other behind you see you better in the fog.

In all honestly: it should be standard on every car anyways, or at the very least packaged together with the ridiculously pricy front fogs and use the same switch.

[TBR]

How is it rude or unsafe?  They illuminate the road and are pointed down and to the sides so they don't shine in anyone's eyes.

Maybe that works in a car, but in trucks and suvs fog lights are aimed right for my mirrors.

[Raza]

Hardly seems worth a $100 to be able to see behind you as you back down your drive way.

Rear fog lights are not for seeing behind you.  $100 sees a pittance to ensure that your car is seen in poor visibility conditions.

[Raza]

Maybe that works in a car, but in trucks and suvs fog lights are aimed right for my mirrors.

I'm constantly blinded by SUVs, using their foglights or not. 

[TBR]

Yes, in reading the second page I realized that. We don't get much fog here.

^^Read^^

And, yes, I feel retarded.

[Soup DeVille]

Rear fog lights are not for seeing behind you.  $100 sees a pittance to ensure that your car is seen in poor visibility conditions.

Maybe, but BMW's options lists just piss me off. I mean, the main appeal to a classicMini in my mind is that it is lightweight, simple and nimble. The modern mini is supposed to be a re-interpretation of that.

Somehow though, power folding heated mirrors, pop-up headlight washers, and complex sunroof arrangements seem to be the exact opposite of what makes the car interesting.

[CJ]

The sunroof is complex?  Not really.  Both panels pop up and vent, but only the front one slides back.  That's not very complex.

[MX793]

Fog lights on many cars/trucks these days are not really fog lights, they're low-mounted auxiliary driving lights.

[Soup DeVille]

The sunroof is complex?  Not really.  Both panels pop up and vent, but only the front one slides back.  That's not very complex.

It has two panels. it's motorized. In an S-class it would be perfectly acceptable. In a Mini, it's overly complex.

[CJ]

It has two panels. it's motorized. In an S-class it would be perfectly acceptable. In a Mini, it's overly complex.

It's just cool.

[Raza]

Maybe, but BMW's options lists just piss me off. I mean, the main appeal to a classicMini in my mind is that it is lightweight, simple and nimble. The modern mini is supposed to be a re-interpretation of that.

Somehow though, power folding heated mirrors, pop-up headlight washers, and complex sunroof arrangements seem to be the exact opposite of what makes the car interesting.

Hmm, I always thought the modern Mini was supposed to be a way to capitalize on nostalgia to make BMW a fuckload of money.  A small, simple, cheap car that is anything but.  An R56 Mini parked next to me today.  I had to squint a bit, but I swear it's taller than my Passat.  It's hard to tell because my roof arcs and the Mini's doesn't, but it's at least just as tall.  It's huge!

[Soup DeVille]

Hmm, I always thought the modern Mini was supposed to be a way to capitalize on nostalgia to make BMW a fuckload of money.  A small, simple, cheap car that is anything but.  An R56 Mini parked next to me today.  I had to squint a bit, but I swear it's taller than my Passat.  It's hard to tell because my roof arcs and the Mini's doesn't, but it's at least just as tall.  It's huge!

OK, so maybe I'm a little too hung up on what I wanted them to be, but still...

[Raza]

OK, so maybe I'm a little too hung up on what I wanted them to be, but still...

That's okay.  Jamie Kitman probably still thinks they're made exclusively for homosexuals.

[hotrodalex]

That's okay.  Jamie Kitman probably still thinks they're made exclusively for homosexuals.

Yeah, because



just screams homosexuality.

[TheIntrepid]

I think it feels very HQ, a lot like real leather.

No. It was absolute rubbish. The leather in my car is MUCH better.

[Raza]

Yeah, because



just screams homosexuality.

He wrote it when the car first came out; before the overly aggressive Works GP version came out.

But one could argue that it's just a Mini version of this:

[CALL_911]

No. It was absolute rubbish. The leather in my car is MUCH better.

That last part confirmed that your opinion does not count. I've been in a Durango with leather and a 300 with leather, and they both sucked. Chrysler leather sucks.

[TheIntrepid]

That last part confirmed that your opinion does not count. I've been in a Durango with leather and a 300 with leather, and they both sucked. Chrysler leather sucks.

It's not the greatest, but it's vastly better than the leatherette in our 323i.

[CALL_911]

It's not the greatest, but it's vastly better than the leatherette in our 323i.

I personally think that BMW leatherette is great, but you are entitled to your opinion.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I said nothing about the car.  Your assertion that 4 or 5 thousand dollars compared to an overall price of 30 thousand dollars is nothing is absolutely ridiculous.  It has nothing to do with the cars.  It could be any other pair of automobile you want to talk about. 

MX had a nice explanation.  If you can afford 15K, why can't you afford 20?  If you can afford 20, why not 30?  If 30, why not 50?  If 50, why not 100? 

You're being ridiculous. 

OK, Mr. Boxster S. If you can afford $30,000, but the car costs $30,001, I guess you should just shoot yourself because you can never have it.

[Raza]

OK, Mr. Boxster S. If you can afford $30,000, but the car costs $30,001, I guess you should just shoot yourself because you can never have it.

Now you're just being an idiot, and it's becoming clear that you have no idea about incremental budgeting.  How much was your Jetta?  2 grand?  Why couldn't you afford a $5,000 car?