Cooper S JCW or Clubman S?

[omicron]

MINIS!!!!!

You're right; that's a much better idea.

[nickdrinkwater]

Neither.  Get a brand new Cooper S.  Why?

1)  It looks much better than the Clubman S.
2)  It's better value than the Clubman Cooper S or the JCW.
3)  You can customise it how you want, so you don't have to put up with stupid things such as union-jack wing mirrors.
4)  It's a generation on from the used JCW you are looking at, so it's a more refined and more comfortable car.

[nickdrinkwater]

Also, the cold weather package is a waste of money.

[Raza]

Why oh Why do you want rear fog lamps?

Because people are dumb and I'd prefer not to be rear ended.  But that's just me.

[Raza]

Neither.  Get a brand new Cooper S.  Why?

1)  It looks much better than the Clubman S.
2)  It's better value than the Clubman Cooper S or the JCW.
3)  You can customise it how you want, so you don't have to put up with stupid things such as union-jack wing mirrors.
4)  It's a generation on from the used JCW you are looking at, so it's a more refined and more comfortable car.

But less capable and it has a fake hood scoop.  Were it a Mustang, the media would be outraged.

[CJ]

Neither.  Get a brand new Cooper S.  Why?

3)  You can customise it how you want, so you don't have to put up with stupid things such as union-jack wing mirrors.

I like the union-jack wing mirrors.

[Tave]

Because people are dumb and I'd prefer not to be rear ended.  But that's just me.

My regular lights serve that purpose just fine.

[Cookie Monster]

My regular lights serve that purpose just fine.

+1

[Raza]

My regular lights serve that purpose just fine.

Which is why modern cars have much brighter tail and brake lights than before...

[nickdrinkwater]

I like the union-jack wing mirrors.

I doubt the next owner will, especially combined with that Grey Metallic.

[CJ]

I doubt the next owner will, especially combined with that Grey Metallic.

There won't be a next owner, and if there is, screw them.  They didn't build it.

[Cookie Monster]

Which is why modern cars have much brighter tail and brake lights than before...

Then what's the need for rear fogs then?

[nickdrinkwater]

But less capable and it has a fake hood scoop.  Were it a Mustang, the media would be outraged.

Point taken on the fake scoop, but it does look good.

Is the scoop on the R53 functional?

[Cookie Monster]

There won't be a next owner, and if there is, screw them.  They didn't build it.

It lowers the resale value, but I guess it doesn't matter if you guys keep it forever.

[nickdrinkwater]

There won't be a next owner, and if there is, screw them.  They didn't build it.

Hey, it's your money that's going down the drain, not mine...

[nickdrinkwater]

It lowers the resale value, but I guess it doesn't matter if you guys keep it forever.

Yeah, I was assuming (wrongly?) that CJ would understand what I meant.

[Raza]

Point taken on the fake scoop, but it does look good.

Is the scoop on the R53 functional?

I believe it is.  The turbo motor, as I recall, utilizes a front mount intercooler, making a scoop unnecessary.  But in this costumer jewelry, fake Rolex world, the fake scoop stays.

[CJ]

Well shit.  I woke up at 10:45 and what do you know?  My mom decides not to do the test drive today because she has two test ON THE 28TH OF THIS MONTH that she has to study for.  WTF.

[Raza]

Then what's the need for rear fogs then?

I should have said "some modern cars".  If you have super bright LEDs like on an Infiniti G, then you don't need a rear fog.  I think the only problem with rear fog lights is their misuse. 

[Cookie Monster]

Foglights are pointless and are not needed.

[nickdrinkwater]

Foglights are pointless and are not needed.

I disagree.  In thick fog it allows you to see the car in front much more easily and further away.  Very useful on the motorway/highway when traffic in front is slowling, as it can allow people to slow down earlier.
In the UK it is mandatory for a rear foglight to be fitted to all cars.

[Cookie Monster]

I disagree.  In thick fog it allows you to see the car in front much more easily and further away.  Very useful on the motorway/highway when traffic in front is slowling, as it can allow people to slow down earlier.
In the UK it is mandatory for a rear foglight to be fitted to all cars.

I've driven in some massive fog in the Accord. That doesn't have fogs.

[CJ]

I've driven in some massive fog in the Accord. That doesn't have fogs.

It makes it a little easier to see, yes, but it makes you easier to BE seen.


We're not driving one because my mom's having a hard time adjusting to her new glasses.  Damn.

[Raza]

I've driven in some massive fog in the Accord. That doesn't have fogs.

"I know there's a bullet in the chamber, but I've done this five times, and I'd say Russian Roulette is completely safe."

I like to throw as much light out there as possible.  I use my fogs at night to give me a better view of the side areas. 

[Tave]

"I know there's a bullet in the chamber, but I've done this five times, and I'd say Russian Roulette is completely safe."

Driving at night with your lights on is not akin to Russian Roulette.

[Raza]

Driving at night with your lights on is not akin to Russian Roulette.

Not entirely, sure.  But the idea's the same.

[Cookie Monster]

You don't need fog lights in the fog. Just drive slower! This is very much like the snow tire argument in another thread... people don't want to slow down regardless of the conditions and now we need all these lights and different tires and stuff.
And I've driven in fog where you can't even see a car in front of you unless it's within 10 feet of you, and this was on a windy mountain road on the way to go skiing.

[nickdrinkwater]

I'm talking about rear fogs.

[Cookie Monster]

I'm talking about rear fogs.

Me too. Go slow enough and you won't crash into the person in front of you anyways. They aren't needed.

[Tave]

Not entirely, sure.  But the idea's the same.

No it's not.

Driving at night with your lights off is a bad idea.

Driving at night with your lights on is safe and smart motoring.

Driving everywhere with your foglights on is just paranoia, and it's also rude to other motorists.

In fact it may be a little unsafe, provided there is no fog.