California: Police Raid Car Enthusiast Gathering, Generate Revenue

[Raza]

As for whether or not it deterred street racing, maybe it didn't. But, then again, maybe a few more "raids" like this one will help to deter street racing. The social aspect of street racing cannot be overlooked and impacting the related social gatherings may also impact the racing itself. Like I said, a means to an end.

You think it deterred murdering as well?  I mean, they weren't doing that either. 

[Middle_Path]

Actually, it sounds pretty frickin honest. He wanted to be a dick and call me names instead of arguing the topic at hand. I can't stand that crap. I deal with people who want to call me names all day at work. I don't need to hear it from anonymous people on ther internet off duty too.

Actually, it sounds like you are one of those cops that are a dick. No wonder you get called names at work all the time. LIGHTEN UP, Francis!

[bing_oh]

You mean from rich neighborhoods to poor neighborhoods?

I wouldn't touch that comment with a 10 foot cattle prod...

[bing_oh]

Actually, it sounds like you are one of those cops that are a dick. No wonder you get called names at work all the time. LIGHTEN UP, Francis!

Yes, I am a dick. I put alot of work into it. Thanks for noticing.

[bing_oh]

Just for the record, I predicted the outcome of this thread a couple of pages ago...

That's why I'm not getting into the argument. There's no point in arguing something with someone who already has their mind made up. This wouldn't be a civil debate, it would be a pissing match. That's a waste of time.

Whenever I go against my gut instinct, I regret it. One of these days, I'm going to learn from that...

[Middle_Path]

Just for the record, I predicted the outcome of this thread a couple of pages ago...

Whenever I go against my gut instinct, I regret it. One of these days, I'm going to learn from that...

Never thought it might be you instead of others? You might want to learn from that instead.

Don't go against your gut instinct. Stop posting on this forum, thanks.

[rohan]

FUCK POLICE FUCK POLICE FUCK

Apparantly can't read rules of this forum- mods please do something with this post.

[rohan]

It seems like as long as the asshole police claims its purpose is street racing, they can do whatever the fuck they want, including confiscating your car and destroying it. Otherwise, I don't think modifying an engine is illegal unless it violates C.A.R.B. standards.

Mods....please?

[rohan]

I hear the police in california are trying to pass a law that makes possession of any car that's not a Toyota Camry a felony.

Right - the police always make and pass laws.  Brilliant.

[rohan]

LOL....cops, always doing the best for the community. LMAO!! "Give me your money bitches" should be their motto instead of "to protect and serve."

Could someone who has a mod title either clean up or lock this anti police sullbhit?

[rohan]

They could do it with 25 cops, at the most.

If I was there, they could kiss my ass I leave (while revving as high as I could while following the speed limit) You can give me a ticket for tinted windows & no front license plate, but you're not gonna say I was street racing when I was parked in a parking lot.

And then you get locked up for fleeing and eluding- a felony.  Now who's being unreasonable?

[rohan]

Never thought it might be you instead of others? You might want to learn from that instead.

Don't go against your gut instinct. Stop posting on this forum, thanks.

Another brillant post from you.

[nickdrinkwater]

Rohan, you're a hypocrite.

[Soup DeVille]

People were not being punished on the mere assumption of greater crimes. Let's not forget that the violations were totally legitimate (if minor) in nature. We in LE work within the laws that are passed by the legislature. Sometimes, enforcement of minor laws is a means to an end in crime deterrence. Nor was the punishment unduly harsh. I strongly suspect that most of the violation cited were fix-it tickets, meaning that there was no real punishment if the illegal modification was corrected by the vehicle owner.

As for whether or not it deterred street racing, maybe it didn't. But, then again, maybe a few more "raids" like this one will help to deter street racing. The social aspect of street racing cannot be overlooked and impacting the related social gatherings may also impact the racing itself. Like I said, a means to an end.

There's also the concept of crime displacement. It's a shitty concept that says that, if you can't stop a crime, make it so unappealing for the criminal to do it in your city that they go elsewhere. It's not an overall solution to the problem, but it's a way to move a problem away from areas where it may have a greater impact on the community.

I don't have the exact quotations right now, but I specifically remember such "crackdowns" using the same basic techniques mentioned in Leo levine's "Dust and the Glory," (one of the most well regarded car history books ever written) about the 1930s hot rod scene in South California. I also remember a nearly exact description of the same sort of thing being done in the late '50s in Tom Wolfe's seminal work 'That Tangerine Kolored Kandy Flake Streamline Baby."The man being quoted was Ed Roth.

In other the words, the same techniques have been largely unable to deter street racing for at least 70 years.

My major complaint is that the minor infractions (by your own admission) actually comitted do not in any way justify the overwhelming use of manpower in this incident. If you want to stop street racing: you need to catch people street racing and prosecute them accordingly instead of wasting time and money issuing minor citations to large groups of people who aren't street racing.

[Cookie Monster]

Rohan, you're a hypocrite.

I agree.

And nice 6 post streak.

[Vinsanity]

Actually, it sounds like you are one of those cops that are a dick. No wonder you get called names at work all the time. LIGHTEN UP, Francis!

HAHA good point

[nickdrinkwater]

Rohan, thanks for the PM.   

[Eye of the Tiger]

Apparantly can't read rules of this forum- mods please do something with this post.

If you want to talk to someone who is really angry at the police, talk to any one of those guys who got their car confiscated just for hanging out in a parking lot. So maybe they had a few parts that violated CARB standards - talk about overly harsh punishment. I am angry for them, nothing more.

Right - the police always make and pass laws.  Brilliant.

The POLICE have the discretion of when and where to enforce what laws, and if the POLICE truly find a law to be ridiculous, they can ignore it or try to get it changed. In this case the POLICE went out of their way and worked overtime just so they could be assholes to a group of car guys.

Mods....please?

I know I'm not supposed to bash police in this forum, but in this case, those cops were major assholes. I have nothing against cops in general, I have nothing against the four cops that pulled me over in the last month, I just hate the asshole cops in California who are all too happy to enforce such ridiculous laws that are destroying the lives of innocent car enthusiasts.

[Cookie Monster]

Rohan, thanks for the PM.   

I like how he says shit about us but if we badmouth his precious police, he bitches to the mods to "take care of it".

[Rupert]

Wow, Rohan, mature much?

[Rupert]

I wouldn't touch that comment with a 10 foot cattle prod...

[Soup DeVille]

Rohan, thanks for the PM.  

All that for calling him a hypocrite?

Was he simply trying to prove you right? It makes me nervous that guys with that short of a fuse are allowed to carry a badge. If it wasn't for the measured and intelligent responses of Bing-Oh in this topic, and if I let his actions influence my opinions of cops as a whole too much, I'd share some of the less civilised opinions that have been written here.

[Cookie Monster]

All that for calling him a hypocrite?

Was he simply trying to prove you right? It makes me nervous that guys with that short of a fuse are allowed to carry a badge.

+1

[Eye of the Tiger]

this thread needs moar lolcops

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

 

[Northlands]

Rohan, thanks for the PM.   

Holy Shit. This really isn't the way to settle an argument.

[Raza]

Holy Shit. This really isn't the way to settle an argument.

I think it is.

[Northlands]

I think it is.

I try to win a battle using the medium it is started in. ie: start with words, win with words.. start with fists... you know the rest. 

[Eye of the Tiger]

I think it is.

Once you get that .45 pistol, you're just going to shoot people through the internet when you get into an argument.

[Raza]

I try to win a battle using the medium it is started in. ie: start with words, win with words.. start with fists... you know the rest. 

How do you start with fists without using words first?  Unless you punch a person as soon as they say something.