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[TBR]

Also, rereading the article (and somehow I missed the second article in the thread, it still doesn't go into much depth though), shouldn't car owners have the right to tell the police no to an unwarranted/not required inspection?

[Cookie Monster]

Nick's first post was the lyrics of a song...

[Soup DeVille]

Also, rereading the article (and somehow I missed the second article in the thread, it still doesn't go into much depth though), shouldn't car owners have the right to tell the police no to an unwarranted/not required inspection?

I think that may be a provision of the law specific to California.

[bing_oh]

I am aware of that, the burden is on the opposing side (LEOs in this case) to provide an alternate POV.

You're forgetting the LE has to follow certain rules about the release of information regarding pending prosecution. The evidence collected by LE during any case is collected for the sole purpose of prosecuting a crime in a court of law, not to inform the public of that information. LE will not release information that may jeopardize a case just because the media or the public wants to know what happened. Also, most departments have very strict policies against individual officers releasing information to the media. So, while those people who are being prosecuted love to talk to the media, only specific LEO's can release only specific information. Needless to say, the story from the people being "victimized" as these kinds of busts makes for much better (ie, more sensational) news.

[the Teuton]

Nick's first post was the lyrics of a song...

Reading his Unthusiast post, I actually kinda agree with him.

[Rupert]

Unthusiast post?

[Catman]

Also, rereading the article (and somehow I missed the second article in the thread, it still doesn't go into much depth though), shouldn't car owners have the right to tell the police no to an unwarranted/not required inspection?

A search and an inspection are really two different things when in this context. Even a search doesn't often require a warrant under the automobile exception rule. 

[Lazerous]

Nick's first post was the lyrics of a song...

Aren't the actual lyrics "FUCK DA POLICE"?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Cookie Monster]

Aren't the actual lyrics "FUCK DA POLICE"?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that's a different song.
He showed me the lyrics of the song he quoted, and that's how it goes.

[TBR]

You're forgetting the LE has to follow certain rules about the release of information regarding pending prosecution. The evidence collected by LE during any case is collected for the sole purpose of prosecuting a crime in a court of law, not to inform the public of that information. LE will not release information that may jeopardize a case just because the media or the public wants to know what happened. Also, most departments have very strict policies against individual officers releasing information to the media. So, while those people who are being prosecuted love to talk to the media, only specific LEO's can release only specific information. Needless to say, the story from the people being "victimized" as these kinds of busts makes for much better (ie, more sensational) news.

I was talking about the LEOs on this board.

[280Z Turbo]

Here's a little more fuel to the fire:

http://www.zcar.com/forums/read/4/1917304

It seems an old Z failed the emissions test because the inspector couldn't read the timing marks. Stuff like this happens everyday in California.

[Soup DeVille]

Here's a little more fuel to the fire:

http://www.zcar.com/forums/read/4/1917304

It seems an old Z failed the emissions test because the inspector couldn't read the timing marks. Stuff like this happens everyday in California.

Wait, so if a car fails the smog tests in California, the state will buy it for $1000 and crush it?

You know what this sounds like? A gold mine for anybody with a car carrier and access to a yard full of $200 beaters!

[Tave]

I think that's a different song.
He showed me the lyrics of the song he quoted, and that's how it goes.

Was it by NWA?

[Cookie Monster]

Was it by NWA?

I think so.
What's the difference between the NWA one and the Rage against the Machine one?

[Tave]

I think so.
What's the difference between the NWA one and the Rage against the Machine one?

Nothing. I've only heard the chorus "Fuck tha Police."

[bing_oh]

I was talking about the LEOs on this board.

I thought that's what I did...

[Raza]

To be fair, I bash a lot of groups of people, not just cops.  Accountants, for one, movie ticket takers, and others. 

[Catman]

To be fair, I bash a lot of groups of people, not just cops.  Accountants, for one, movie ticket takers, and others. 

Don't forget the elderly.

[CALL_911]

Don't forget the elderly.

And BMW drivers.

[Raza]

And BMW drivers.

Don't forget the elderly.

I said "and others"!

[ChrisV]

Get over it, already.  I stayed out of the controversy of that thread, but I can't stay silent anymore.  The bulk of the folks who have these types of cars drive recklessly and without regard for any other motorists.  Going fast on the highway is fine, but swerving to beat people to be first after a red light, narrowly missing other cars during lane changes to get ahead and following too closely are all things these "enthusiasts" do almost every time I see them. 

I say "GOOD JOB" to the police who finally cracked down on this crew.  I really believe it made the road safer by getting these people to comply with the laws that are there for a GOOD reason.  They all deserved what they got. 

Now, flame me, trash me, whatever.  But there's a fine line between "enthusiast" and "asshole" that most of the people like those the Riverside police cited cross far too often.

ok, I'll flame you for being an ignorant anti-car asshole. You don't have a freaking CLUE about hobbyists and what they are going through mnationwide. People in California who mod their cars to race at sanctioned SCCA autocrosses are getting their cars confiscated by people that think like you and these cops and legislators do: modding cars is ONLY done for street racing. And that's BULLSHIT of the stinkiest order.



You know, I had a page of things I wanted to say right now. But I'm too fucking pissed at people like you to even want to type this out anymore.



I've spent decades building customs, race cars, and modified cars for show and track. I've been involved in the "scene" from the days of the cruis nights to the modern gatherings of enthusiasts. the number of people who stret race are a SMALL fucking percentage of the enthusiast crowd. But they are not the only ones being targetted. People like you say that EVERYONE should be targetted BEFORE they are proven to be street racers. You support this sort of BULLSHIT enforcement of BULLSHIT laws, so you can sleep better at night knowing that car enthusiasts are being targetted.

[Byteme]

ok, I'll flame you for being an ignorant anti-car asshole..... You support this sort of BULLSHIT enforcement of BULLSHIT laws, so you can sleep better at night knowing that car enthusiasts are being targetted.

Well, this thread just took an interesting turn. 

[280Z Turbo]

Well, this thread just took an interesting turn. 

He's right, you know.

[NomisR]

He's right, you know.

[280Z Turbo]

Now is a good time to be banned anyway. You ain't cool unless you've been banned.

[NomisR]

If we start banning more people, there wouldn't be many left in the forum.

[Cookie Monster]

He's right, you know.

+1
For once I agree with ChrisV.

That was an excellent p0st. People who support the police and say that car modders should have their cars confiscated is an unthusiast.

[CALL_911]

My thoughts exactly.

[Catman]

I think I've had enough listening to this crap.  If people can't say their piece in a civil manner then lets not say it at all.  Locked.