Anyone else really impressed with the IS-F's speed in the latest R&T?

[ArchBishop]

Awww, did I hurt your feelings?

Hardly. You have no idea what parts I was showing in those photos, you don't know shit about the KA, and You obviously don't know shit about cars. So the question is, why are you more butthurt over what I said to Raza.

And Question, what do you drive again?

[CALL_911]

Hardly. You have no idea what parts I was showing in those photos, you don't know shit about the KA, and You obviously don't know shit about cars. So the question is, why are you more butthurt over what I said to Raza.

And Question, what do you drive again?

#1. It doesn't take a genius to know what parts are in the picture. If you think it does, and it's all you seem to know about, by all means, go show the world.
#2. Everyone knows the KA isn't an amazing motor.
#3. Everyone knows the pre-2003 Altima sucks.
#4. I'm 16.

[ArchBishop]

Just FYI

STOCK KA24DE Intake and Exhaust
http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Dyno%20021808/021208dyno.JPG

how much Does a 1.8t put to the wheels?

And then, You can laugh at all the guys putting as much power to the wheels, as 1.8t's do to the crank.

[ArchBishop]

#1. It doesn't take a genius to know what parts are in the picture. If you think it does, and it's all you seem to know about, by all means, go show the world.
#2. Everyone knows the KA isn't an amazing motor.
#3. Everyone knows the pre-2003 Altima sucks.
#4. I'm 16.

There is a suspension Modification in EVERY picture I posted (as well as other parts).

name them.

[LonghornTX]

And Question, what do you drive again?

Why does that matter? 

[ArchBishop]

Waiting. It says your still in the room.

[ArchBishop]

Bahaha: Stock 1.8t Dyno (actually, this one is chipped)

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254641

This is an awesome Motor I should be afraid of?
A KA with bolt on, cams, and an ECU tune will Make the same power a 1.8t will with Breather mods and Ecu. Just keep that in mind.

And When was the last time you built a 100hp per liter (crank) motor with custom factory parts?

[CALL_911]

Power isn't everything:






I won't even tell you what half of those pictures are about. If your smart, you'll be able to figure it out.

And I didn't know adding over 45whp over stock was funny...

Ok, here goes.

Pic #1: Sway Bar
Pic #2: Can't see.
Pic #3: I see cams, and an exhaust manifold......
Pic #4: Shocks, and maybe the control arm.
Pic #5: Springs.

Bahaha: Stock 1.8t Dyno (actually, this one is chipped)

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254641

This is an awesome Motor I should be afraid of?
A KA with bolt on, cams, and an ECU tune will Make the same power a 1.8t will with Breather mods and Ecu. Just keep that in mind.

And When was the last time you built a 100hp per liter (crank) motor with custom factory parts?

Your engine is not a 100 hp/L, so maybe you should try that first (Stock you have 160 hp. Since you're brilliant and all, 160+25=205. 205/2.4= 85.4). Secondly, I'm certain the 1.8T has a much better aftermarket, and thus has MUCH more potential.

Waiting. It says your still in the room.

And I'm still waiting for you to justify that the N54 is slower than a comparable VQ.

[Cookie Monster]

Ok, here goes.

Pic #1: Sway Bar
Pic #2: Can't see.
Pic #3: I see cams, and an exhaust manifold......
Pic #4: Shocks, and maybe the control arm.
Pic #5: Springs.

#2: Looks like you're working on a control arm
#3: Front shock tower brace?

[nickdrinkwater]

''If your smart''

LOL

[sportyaccordy]

Call 911,

165 + 20 != 205, unless you are using an alternate base number (I try to stick with base 10)

ArchBishop,

I cannot tell from pics but what year is your Altima? I could do a fully loaded 1st gen SE, but I hear the engine is not fond of revving...

[ArchBishop]

#2: Looks like you're working on a control arm
#3: Front shock tower brace?

Ok, here goes.

Pic #1: Sway Bar
Pic #2: Can't see.
Pic #3: I see cams, and an exhaust manifold......
Pic #4: Shocks, and maybe the control arm.
Pic #5: Springs.

Your engine is not a 100 hp/L, so maybe you should try that first (Stock you have 160 hp. Since you're brilliant and all, 160+25=205. 205/2.4= 85.4). Secondly, I'm certain the 1.8T has a much better aftermarket, and thus has MUCH more potential.

And I'm still waiting for you to justify that the N54 is slower than a comparable VQ.

Wrong.
1. is a Control arm brace, not a sway bar.
2. Polyurathane control arm bushings.
3. Strut tower brace
4. Struts
5. Coilovers (Not Springs)

I didn't mention aftermarket potential of any motor, I just asked when was the last time you, (or anyone you know) for that matter made 100hp/liter n/a (crank) on factory parts? On what motor?

Here you go. 207whp + 15% drivetrain loss. Built it himself
http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=177042

MY Motor should make a healthy 200+ crank hp, Over 50hp Over stock. I guess that really bad compared to.....?

And What have you done?

[ArchBishop]

Call 911,

165 + 20 != 205, unless you are using an alternate base number (I try to stick with base 10)

ArchBishop,

I cannot tell from pics but what year is your Altima? I could do a fully loaded 1st gen SE, but I hear the engine is not fond of revving...

SE's are better. Factory sideskits, Foglights, stiffer springs and struts, Closer gears and LSD If its a 93-94. Otherwise, they all are the same. You have to have the right parts to make the engine rev, like a good set of cams, and an extended redline.

Brian Crower makes a 2.6L Stroker kit that fully balances the crank. Want 8000RPM power? That kit is for you. Otherwise bolt ons, cams, and a Tune will net you around 160-170whp.

Personally, I'd look at a Second gen altima. less miles, Stiffer chassis, same motor, and most parts off a 1st gen will work on a second, and Visa versa. Also, the KA24DE in second generations are single row timing chains, and have stronger pistons, so they should hold up better. The downside is JWT does not support the 2000-2001 cars,(piggyback, or standalone ecu) they have better heads, and differnt ECU, as well as the closest ratio trans. Which is were mine came from.

[Submariner]

You have no fucking clue what your you're talking about

Neither do you. 

[cawimmer430]

The IS-Flooks better in real life than it does in the photos but let's face it, it's a sterile and passionless car.

Lexus created this thing for the sole purpose of offering a competitor to the established German performance sedans and obtaining market share. Prior to that Lexus has had ZERO motorsport involvement or heritage. It's all about making more money by offering a "cheaper" car (in some markets the IS-F is more expensive than an M3 or C63 AMG I believe). Granted, the German brands are out to make money too, but at least their motorsport heritage is evidence of the passion that was behind BMW M, MB AMG or Audi RS. With the IS-F you don't feel that. They take apart an M3 to study, they hire Yamaha to tune the engine bla bla bla...

Sorry, it's a good first try for Lexus but this car is clinical and boring to me. What excites me about a car is the passion and history/heritage behind it. Not some M3 clone from a brand that copied so many philosophies from European competitors...

[Submariner]

The IS-Flooks better in real life than it does in the photos but let's face it, it's a sterile and passionless car.

Lexus created this thing for the sole purpose of offering a competitor to the established German performance sedans and obtaining market share. Prior to that Lexus has had ZERO motorsport involvement or heritage. It's all about making more money by offering a "cheaper" car (in some markets the IS-F is more expensive than an M3 or C63 AMG I believe). Granted, the German brands are out to make money too, but at least their motorsport heritage is evidence of the passion that was behind BMW M, MB AMG or Audi RS. With the IS-F you don't feel that. They take apart an M3 to study, they hire Yamaha to tune the engine bla bla bla...

Sorry, it's a good first try for Lexus but this car is clinical and boring to me. What excites me about a car is the passion and history/heritage behind it. Not some M3 clone from a brand that copied so many philosophies from European competitors...

Spot on Wimmer.

[Vinsanity]

The IS-Flooks better in real life than it does in the photos but let's face it, it's a sterile and passionless car.

Lexus created this thing for the sole purpose of offering a competitor to the established German performance sedans and obtaining market share. Prior to that Lexus has had ZERO motorsport involvement or heritage. It's all about making more money by offering a "cheaper" car (in some markets the IS-F is more expensive than an M3 or C63 AMG I believe). Granted, the German brands are out to make money too, but at least their motorsport heritage is evidence of the passion that was behind BMW M, MB AMG or Audi RS. With the IS-F you don't feel that. They take apart an M3 to study, they hire Yamaha to tune the engine bla bla bla...

Sorry, it's a good first try for Lexus but this car is clinical and boring to me. What excites me about a car is the passion and history/heritage behind it. Not some M3 clone from a brand that copied so many philosophies from European competitors...

Sorry, I didn't catch your driving impressions thread on the Lexus IS-F. Could you post the link?...

[Submariner]

Sorry, I didn't catch your driving impressions thread on the Lexus IS-F. Could you post the link?...

Everyone here has posted, at one time or another, impressions on cars they haven't driven. 

[omicron]

The IS-Flooks better in real life than it does in the photos but let's face it, it's a sterile and passionless car.

Lexus created this thing for the sole purpose of offering a competitor to the established German performance sedans and obtaining market share. Prior to that Lexus has had ZERO motorsport involvement or heritage.

Which are never, and have never been, the determinants of current road-car abilities for any brand.

Incidentally, given that the Lexus brand is just that - a brand, and that its products have been available across much of the world in the past with Toyota emblems, I hope you'd realise the efforts of the Toyota Altezza/Lexus IS in both Japanese circuit racing and Australian/New Zealand production car championships, as well as Toyota's efforts in NASCAR, LeMans, Formula 1 and rallying with 6 and 8 cylinder engines available in Lexus cars since the brand's inception.

It's all about making more money by offering a "cheaper" car (in some markets the IS-F is more expensive than an M3 or C63 AMG I believe).

Making more money by offering a cheaper car that is more expensive in some markets? In any case, are you privy to Lexus' profit margins on each car relative to its competitors?

Granted, the German brands are out to make money too

The aim of any brand (or business, for that matter). If a brand loses money over a sustained period without hope for resuscitation, it dies.

but at least their motorsport heritage is evidence of the passion that was behind BMW M, MB AMG or Audi RS. With the IS-F you don't feel that. They take apart an M3 to study, they hire Yamaha to tune the engine bla bla bla...

Past motorsport results are no reflection whatsoever of the abilities of any given car within a certain brand. Are you implying that the past history of a brand is more important in the analysis of a given car than its actual qualities and characteristics? Are you suggesting that the three German brands mentioned are so precious and insular that they don't bother to look at any of the non-German competitors for improvement to their own performance ranges, or are so caught up in their own importance that they feel any of their actions are inherently superior to any other competitors? Lexus seeks to learn from the M3 because it is the perceived existing benchmark for performance-oriented cars of a given price-range (and I'm sure they had many other cars in pieces, too); were Cadillac to produce a CTS-V that betters the M3, C63 et. al., then Lexus, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, HSV, FPV etc. would all have a CTS-V in four thousand parts in the driveway.

Sorry, it's a good first try for Lexus but this car is clinical and boring to me. What excites me about a car is the passion and history/heritage behind it. Not some M3 clone from a brand that copied so many philosophies from European competitors...[/size]

Borrowed philosophies from German competitors? Such as?

[Vinsanity]

Everyone here has posted, at one time or another, impressions on cars they haven't driven. 

I was just wondering how he came away with the impression that the car is sterile, boring, etc.

[Submariner]

I was just wondering how he came away with the impression that the car is sterile, boring, etc.

Reading, TV, etc? 

[Vinsanity]

Reading, TV, etc? 

maybe people should stop believing everything they read, especially on the internets.

I can't imagine that an average driver would seriously be bored by driving an IS-F, much less one who gets his jollies off when driving a diesel Mercedes

[Schadenfreude]

  @ this thread.  As for the IS-F, I just have one question: Wouldn't a manual transmission help it, even just a bit in terms of credibility?

[Submariner]

maybe people should stop believing everything they read, especially on the internets.

I can't imagine that an average driver would seriously be bored by driving an IS-F, much less one who gets his jollies off when driving a diesel Mercedes

I enjoy driving a G-class.  Makes me no less qualified to judge "sports" cars.

[CALL_911]

Call 911,

165 + 20 != 205, unless you are using an alternate base number (I try to stick with base 10)

ArchBishop,

I cannot tell from pics but what year is your Altima? I could do a fully loaded 1st gen SE, but I hear the engine is not fond of revving...

Typo, I meant 45 hp, which were his increases from stock.

[CALL_911]

What excites me about a car is the passion and history/heritage behind it.

No offense dude, but that's a shitty reason to get excited about a car.

[Cookie Monster]

The IS-Flooks better in real life than it does in the photos but let's face it, it's a sterile and passionless car.

Lexus created this thing for the sole purpose of offering a competitor to the established German performance sedans and obtaining market share. Prior to that Lexus has had ZERO motorsport involvement or heritage. It's all about making more money by offering a "cheaper" car (in some markets the IS-F is more expensive than an M3 or C63 AMG I believe). Granted, the German brands are out to make money too, but at least their motorsport heritage is evidence of the passion that was behind BMW M, MB AMG or Audi RS. With the IS-F you don't feel that. They take apart an M3 to study, they hire Yamaha to tune the engine bla bla bla...

Sorry, it's a good first try for Lexus but this car is clinical and boring to me. What excites me about a car is the passion and history/heritage behind it. Not some M3 clone from a brand that copied so many philosophies from European competitors...

Oh jeez, not this shit again!



You're already wrong, they do have racing involvement. They're also starting to get into other racing too.

And you've never even driven the car, so don't start with the "It's so boring" bullshit. Why do you always get caught up with the "history/heritage" bit too? When you climb into an MB, can you "feel" the heritage and history throughout the car every time you go for a drive?
How much history/heritage a car has has NOTHING to do with if the car is good or not. That's all just a load of bullshit.

I like how you don't consider the C63 AMG to be boring, even though it too only has an automatic and is meant for high speed driving. You've never driven any of the cars, yet you're jumping to conclusions because of the "history and heritage".

You're doing a shitload of generalizing about the Lexus with zero seat time and masturbating over anything German. I don't even like the ISF that much, but you don't see me saying how boring it is, because I've never driven it!

[sportyaccordy]

Like I always say, numbers aren't everything

8 speed tranny is a pain to downshift, suspension is way too stiff and the looks are questionable, which sucks as the IS350 is a beautiful car.

[CALL_911]

Oh jeez, not this shit again!



You're already wrong, they do have racing involvement. They're also starting to get into other racing too.

And you've never even driven the car, so don't start with the "It's so boring" bullshit. Why do you always get caught up with the "history/heritage" bit too? When you climb into an MB, can you "feel" the heritage and history throughout the car every time you go for a drive?
How much history/heritage a car has has NOTHING to do with if the car is good or not. That's all just a load of bullshit.

I like how you don't consider the C63 AMG to be boring, even though it too only has an automatic and is meant for high speed driving. You've never driven any of the cars, yet you're jumping to conclusions because of the "history and heritage".

You're doing a shitload of generalizing about the Lexus with zero seat time and masturbating over anything German. I don't even like the ISF that much, but you don't see me saying how boring it is, because I've never driven it!

+9999999999999999999

[Vinsanity]

No offense dude, but that's a shitty reason to get excited about a car.

Seriously. If history and heritage made a car exciting, then my Caddy is more exciting than a Lambo