2010 Shelby GT500 unveiled!

[TBR]

Did you just compare a Monte Carlo SS to a GT500?     How about using the Corvette (closer in price and horsepower) as an example? We all know what happened when ANY magazine put the Vette up agaisnt the GT500.

They don't compete because the Mustang fanboys don't want them to.

[ChrisV]

Did you just compare a Monte Carlo SS to a GT500?     How about using the Corvette (closer in price and horsepower) as an example? We all know what happened when ANY magazine put the Vette up agaisnt the GT500.

Umm, he was comparing traditional 2+2 musclecar types, of which the Monte USED to be back in the day. Yeah a 2 seat sports car is going to be a tad better than a musclecar, but that's not the point.

[GoCougs]

Did you just compare a Monte Carlo SS to a GT500?     How about using the Corvette (closer in price and horsepower) as an example? We all know what happened when ANY magazine put the Vette up agaisnt the GT500.

BINGO. C6 walks on the GT500.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Umm, he was comparing traditional 2+2 musclecar types, of which the Monte USED to be back in the day. Yeah a 2 seat sports car is going to be a tad better than a musclecar, but that's not the point.

I understand his point,but why throw the MC in when he already had the GTO listed? We all know the GTO was the only direct competition that the (base) 'Stang had. I've never seen anyone compare a FWD MC to any 'Stang. Especially one that listed for (before dealer mark ups!) 40k! The Vette is a better example (at the time about 5k more but it had less hp than the GT500) in that price range.

[SVT666]

For the record, most Mustang fans are not like Nethead...that includes me. 

The Mustang and Monte Carlo are not competitors and neither are the GT500 and the Corvette.  Fucking hell.

[Raza]

Did you just compare a Monte Carlo SS to a GT500?     How about using the Corvette (closer in price and horsepower) as an example? We all know what happened when ANY magazine put the Vette up agaisnt the GT500.

And I'm still pretty sure I'd take the GT500 over the Corvette.

[GoCougs]

For the record, most Mustang fans are not like Nethead...that includes me. 

The Mustang and Monte Carlo are not competitors and neither are the GT500 and the Corvette.  Fucking hell.

Comparison is just that: a comparison. It does not imply nor demand referendum or indictment of either vehicle; as to its worth, its class or anything else.

That settled, the C6 is the better performing car in every sense of the word.

[Nethead]

Did you just compare a Monte Carlo SS to a GT500?     How about using the Corvette (closer in price and horsepower) as an example? We all know what happened when ANY magazine put the Vette up agaisnt the GT500.

Nope, and neither would anyone else but Chevy management.  No car mags even considered the Monte Carlo SS in the GT500-Charger SRT-GTO comparos that were the rage at the time GT500s and Charger SRTs began showing up in the dealerships.  I suppose if they ever make four-passenger Corvettes--or at least 2+2 Corvettes--then they'll be in these comparos, too.  Today, these comparos wouldn't have GTOs, but G8s and CTS-Vs could represent GM against the Challenger SRT and the GT500.  It ain't looking like much would change in the results...

[ChrisV]

Comparison is just that: a comparison. It does not imply nor demand referendum or indictment of either vehicle; as to its worth, its class or anything else.

That settled, the C6 is the better performing car in every sense of the word.

So's an F430 Scuderia and a Pagoni Zonda. Shall we just start comparing all cars?

Next up, the Fusion takes on the Accord and Veyron.

[Raza]

So's an F430 Scuderia and a Pagoni Zonda. Shall we just start comparing all cars?

Next up, the Fusion takes on the Accord and Veyron.

The C6 is a bit more valid than that.  If you include dealer markups, the C6 was a cheaper car than the GT500.  If you don't, the C6 is just a bit more expensive.

No, the cars don't directly compete, that's true.  But it's not that far a stretch to think that people would cross shop.

[GoCougs]

So's an F430 Scuderia and a Pagoni Zonda. Shall we just start comparing all cars?

Next up, the Fusion takes on the Accord and Veyron.

2-door, V8-powered, RWD, domestic performance icons with similar MSRPs???

The performance comparison DEMANDS itself, beyond any objection, anywhere, by anyone, on any level.

[sportyaccordy]

2-door, V8-powered, RWD, domestic performance icons with similar MSRPs???

The performance comparison DEMANDS itself, beyond any objection, anywhere, by anyone, on any level.

We should throw trucks in the mix too with those qualifiers

[ChrisV]

Yup, 'cause we all know the old Ford Lightning competed directly with the Corvette, too.

[SVT666]

The number of people who would actually cross shop a GT500 with a Corvette is a confused individual who doesn't really want either of them.  If you want a Corvette, you are cross shopping with the Viper or GT-R.

Two completely different cars with two different objectives.  I've seen Corvette vs. GT500 comparisons in Mustang magazines for the sole purpose of showing the reader how good a GT500 really is even though it lost.

[GoCougs]

So is it mere boredom, or GT500 apologia?

[TBR]

The number of people who would actually cross shop a GT500 with a Corvette is a confused individual who doesn't really want either of them.  If you want a Corvette, you are cross shopping with the Viper or GT-R.

Two completely different cars with two different objectives.  I've seen Corvette vs. GT500 comparisons in Mustang magazines for the sole purpose of showing the reader how good a GT500 really is even though it lost.

How is the GT-R a competitor for the Corvette yet the GT500 isn't? The Vette and GT500 are both V8 powered, RWD, American icons. Meanwhile, the GT-R is V6 powered, all wheel drive, Japanese, and has a rear seat which is probably even bigger than the GT500's.

[ChrisV]

So is it mere boredom, or GT500 apologia?

You gonna answer the question about trucks? If car categories don't matter, then why not cross-shop a pickup?

The Corvette isn't a muslcecar. Never was. Or are you saying it is/was a Camaro competitor, too?

[GoCougs]

You gonna answer the question about trucks? If car categories don't matter, then why not cross-shop a pickup?

The Corvette isn't a muslcecar. Never was. Or are you saying it is/was a Camaro competitor, too?

I said nothing about cross-shopping or competition. I stated, "comparison."

Further, in specific, since when does the F-150 meet the "domestic performance icon" criteria already mentioned?

Jeez, guys. You lost this one before it started. C6 vs. GT500 is a logical, valid comparison.

[GoCougs]

How is the GT-R a competitor for the Corvette yet the GT500 isn't? The Vette and GT500 are both V8 powered, RWD, American icons. Meanwhile, the GT-R is V6 powered, all wheel drive, Japanese, and has a rear seat which is probably even bigger than the GT500's.

You gotta pass the de facto CarSPIN Comparison Board of Regents before you do such a thing. 

Certainly, if the GT500 vs. C6 gets the board worked up, GT-R vs. C6 will make 'em riot.

There are rules.

[Tave]

Jeez, guys. You lost this one before it started. C6 vs. GT500 is a logical, valid comparison.

No two cars are identical. Some are very similar and some less so. The C6 and GT500 are similar enough that a comparison between the two isn't strange or forced. They obviously have different goals, but they share some things in common too. I can't understand why anyone would throw a hissy fit over this: talk about anal...

You gonna answer the question about trucks?

Some points are so absurd that they don't warrant a response. Everyone on the planet would agree that the GT500 and C6 share more in common with each other than they do with the F150.

[Soup DeVille]

I remember an article from several years ago that said that one of the vehicles a corvette was likely to be cross shopped against (and yes, they had lots of data to prove it) was a SeaRay.

[GoCougs]

I remember an article from several years ago that said that one of the vehicles a corvette was likely to be cross shopped against (and yes, they had lots of data to prove it) was a SeaRay.

DOOD - YOUR ARE IN FOR IT NOW.

[NomisR]

I remember an article from several years ago that said that one of the vehicles a corvette was likely to be cross shopped against (and yes, they had lots of data to prove it) was a SeaRay.

Why not?  If you're a balding middle aged man, you either want a sports car or a boat..

[Soup DeVille]

Why not?  If you're a balding middle aged man, you either want a sports car or a boat..

Well, yeah, it all depends on the question the buyer is asking, doesn't it? I mean, if a gu sets out to buy a two seat sports/GT car and is dead set on that, that's one thing; but I have to believe a lot of people are just looking for a fun and fast thing to drop fifty grand on.

[NomisR]

Well, yeah, it all depends on the question the buyer is asking, doesn't it? I mean, if a gu sets out to buy a two seat sports/GT car and is dead set on that, that's one thing; but I have to believe a lot of people are just looking for a fun and fast thing to drop fifty grand on.

Yeah, but maybe C&D should do a comparo between a Corvette and a SeaRay, what size though?   

[J86]

Ha a Searay!  I picture a SeaRay owner enjoying a C4 'Vette...

[omicron]

I said nothing about cross-shopping or competition. I stated, "comparison."

Further, in specific, since when does the F-150 meet the "domestic performance icon" criteria already mentioned?

Jeez, guys. You lost this one before it started. C6 vs. GT500 is a logical, valid comparison.

Hear, hear. I'd readily compare a Commodore SS ute, Golf GTI, Mondeo XR5 Turbo or used Alfa Spider if I had a spare $45k and was looking to purchase. Different cars appeal in different ways - it's up to me to make comparisons based on the importance of my needs and wants. How well does each car do the job it was intended to perform, and how impressive is its achievement relative to other cars I'd consider? In any case, I don't see why the comparison of an F-150 and a car is such a big step. The lure of a V8 engine, high seating position allowing a panoramic view across a wide bonnet, masculine styling and proportions; I could easily see how a person attracted to a G8 GT might also look at an F-150, or a used Corvette, or perhaps a '60s El Camino, just for something different. Take Raza as a good example - at one stage he could have found himself in a Pontiac GTO, Mustang, Passat, Rabbit GTI or Civic Si before settling upon a Jetta.

Woe betide the company that limits their market by defining their competitors so narrowly. Competitors exist by class, by price, by physical similarity, by function, by usage, and so on. A Rabbit GTI, for example, competes with other cars in its price range; with other 3-door sporting hatchbacks; with other sporting models of varying body types; with other European makes for people seeking a Euro badge; or with other large-scale purchases like a new boat or a home entertainment system. Some competitors are obviously more relevant than others, but very few should be so readily dismissed.

[r0tor]

I understand his point,but why throw the MC in when he already had the GTO listed? We all know the GTO was the only direct competition that the (base) 'Stang had. I've never seen anyone compare a FWD MC to any 'Stang. Especially one that listed for (before dealer mark ups!) 40k! The Vette is a better example (at the time about 5k more but it had less hp than the GT500) in that price range.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/2002_chevrolet_monte_carlo_ss_vs_ford_mustang_gt_dodge_stratus_r_t_comparison_test

[Nethead]

Some points are so absurd that they don't warrant a response. Everyone on the planet would agree that the GT500 and C6 share more in common with each other than they do with the F150.

An F150 and a C6 are valid in a comparo because, even in 2009, both have leaf spring suspensions.  Well, OK, the F150 only has leaf springs in the rear--but close enough for comparison work, as many pointed out above, since no two vehicles are actually identical...

[SVT666]

Take Raza as a good example - at one stage he could have found himself in a Pontiac GTO, Mustang, Passat, Rabbit GTI or Civic Si before settling upon a Jetta.

How one ends up with a Jetta when the GTO and Mustang are in the running is beyond me.