Edmunds: Genesis coupe is a "world-class ride"

[MX793]

The Genesis coupe?  It's on sale? 

It's already for sale in Korea and some other Asian markets.

[Soup DeVille]

Your friend knows how to drive that car very economically.  Props.

Which is of course, then entire purpose of an Evo...

[S204STi]

The stock IC will probably be a POS so that would probably have to be replaced.

Is this motor even fully forged, if not it is not going to take more boost gladly and reliably.

Why would the IC need replacement?  Many modified cars run fine with stock ICs.

Why would the entire engine need to be forged?  It's rated at, what, 220hp right?  That's small time stuff these days, no need to overbuild it.  Besides, forged pistons can be noisey at startup, which will likely cause complaints.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Why would the IC need replacement?  Many modified cars run fine with stock ICs.

Why would the entire engine need to be forged?  It's rated at, what, 220hp right?  That's small time stuff these days, no need to overbuild it.  Besides, forged pistons can be noisey at startup, which will likely cause complaints.

Some guy on the Turnobrick site flow tested every part of the Volvo 700/900 turbo intake system, and the IC was by far the most restrictive part. I can only imagine that the Genesis uses a fairly small IC for packaging/cost reasons. It probably wouldn't hurt to hang one of them big-O ones out a hold in the front bumper

[S204STi]

Some guy on the Turnobrick site flow tested every part of the Volvo 700/900 turbo intake system, and the IC was by far the most restrictive part. I can only imagine that the Genesis uses a fairly small IC for packaging/cost reasons. It probably wouldn't hurt to hang one of them big-O ones out a hold in the front bumper

No doubt it's restrictive, but IC design is improving with each new generation of cars.  For example, subiefiles get a sand rash in their crotch from the new IC design on the WRX, but despite having a smaller footprint it's actually more efficient and flows better than the one on my car.

So anyway, even for more than stock power levels the stock IC is often not a bit deal.  STI ICs for example are ample up to some pretty huge turbos.

[SVT32V]

No doubt it's restrictive, but IC design is improving with each new generation of cars.  For example, subiefiles get a sand rash in their crotch from the new IC design on the WRX, but despite having a smaller footprint it's actually more efficient and flows better than the one on my car.

So anyway, even for more than stock power levels the stock IC is often not a bit deal.  STI ICs for example are ample up to some pretty huge turbos.

I would hardly base an assumption about wether a Hyundai IC will be sufficient for a 100 more hp worth of air flow on the experience of subie owners.  Really, subie has been using turbos as thier only way to make any decent power for decades.  I hardly think the hyundai engineers have the same amount of expereience.

Subie knows that a high percentage of their cars will be modded and will  overbuild accordingly no doubt.  Can hyundais do it at this price point and will the bean counters even let them?

[MX793]

I would hardly base an assumption about wether a Hyundai IC will be sufficient for a 100 more hp worth of air flow on the experience of subie owners.  Really, subie has been using turbos as thier only way to make any decent power for decades.  I hardly think the hyundai engineers have the same amount of expereience.

Subie knows that a high percentage of their cars will be modded and will  overbuild accordingly no doubt.  Can hyundais do it at this price point and will the bean counters even let them?

This isn't a Hyundai-designed motor.  The 2.0T in the Genesis is a variant of the motor used by Mitsubishi in the Lancer Evo and Ralliart.

[Soup DeVille]

This isn't a Hyundai-designed motor.  The 2.0T in the Genesis is a variant of the motor used by Mitsubishi in the Lancer Evo and Ralliart.

Really?

a 4-cylinder Genesis just became slightly desirable.

[2o6]

It's a GEMA engine that's used in Mitsubishis, Dodges, Kias, Hyundais and the PSA rebadges.

[MX793]

Really?

a 4-cylinder Genesis just became slightly desirable.

The 4B1 engine family is a world engine (also called GEMA) that was co-developed and is shared by Mitsu, Hyundai and Chrysler.

[Jus2shy]

4b11 FTW! I haven't heard much about how well this motor takes to modifications, but then I haven't been following this block as closely. I think Hyundai has a sexy coupe on their hands :). It's about time. Unfortunately I already got my vert.

[Soup DeVille]

The 4B1 engine family is a world engine (also called GEMA) that was co-developed and is shared by Mitsu, Hyundai and Chrysler.

So, is it or is it not comaprable to the 4G63?

[MX793]

So, is it or is it not comaprable to the 4G63?

4G63 is no longer in production.  It was replaced by the 4B11T in 2007.

[Soup DeVille]

4G63 is no longer in production.  It was replaced by the 4B11T in 2007.

I see.

[S204STi]

I would hardly base an assumption about wether a Hyundai IC will be sufficient for a 100 more hp worth of air flow on the experience of subie owners.  Really, subie has been using turbos as thier only way to make any decent power for decades.  I hardly think the hyundai engineers have the same amount of expereience.

Subie knows that a high percentage of their cars will be modded and will  overbuild accordingly no doubt.  Can hyundais do it at this price point and will the bean counters even let them?

As has been pointed out already, it's similar to the Evo motor anyway (thanks MX) so this argument is moot.  It will be built well and will likely be on par with other high end turbocharged machines from Saab (who has been doing it longer than anyone), VW, Mazda, and Subaru.

[MX793]

As has been pointed out already, it's similar to the Evo motor anyway (thanks MX) so this argument is moot.  It will be built well and will likely be on par with other high end turbocharged machines from Saab (who has been doing it longer than anyone), VW, Mazda, and Subaru.

Believe it or not (as an aside), GM has built turbocharged automotive engines longer than anyone.  The first turbocharged automobiles were the Chevy Corvair and Olds F-85 Jetfire.

[S204STi]

Believe it or not (as an aside), GM has built turbocharged automotive engines longer than anyone.  The first turbocharged automobiles were the Chevy Corvair and Olds F-85 Jetfire.

Cool, I did not know that!

Is it fair to say that Saab made it mainstream?

[sportyaccordy]

So, is it or is it not comaprable to the 4G63?

4G63 had a freakin iron block...

4B11 just wins because of that. I do wish they made provisions for higher displacement though; this car would be better served by a 2.5L 4 banger

[Soup DeVille]

4G63 had a freakin iron block...

4B11 just wins because of that. I do wish they made provisions for higher displacement though; this car would be better served by a 2.5L 4 banger

You got a problem with iron blocks?

[Soup DeVille]

Believe it or not (as an aside), GM has built turbocharged automotive engines longer than anyone.  The first turbocharged automobiles were the Chevy Corvair and Olds F-85 Jetfire.

But, they haven't continusly built them for that long.

[MX793]

4G63 had a freakin iron block...

4B11 just wins because of that. I do wish they made provisions for higher displacement though; this car would be better served by a 2.5L 4 banger

I believe there's a 2.4L version of the 4B1 family (4B12).

[280Z Turbo]

You got a problem with iron blocks?

Honda boys don't even know what an iron block is. They're used to engines you can carry around by hand.

[MrH]

I hate to say it, but it's threads like these I question whether sporty is actually a mech. engineer. 

[sportyaccordy]

I hate to say it, but it's threads like these I question whether sporty is actually a mech. engineer. 

Why's that

[S204STi]

Why's that

You bashed the 4G63 for having an iron block, for one.

[sportyaccordy]

You bashed the 4G63 for having an iron block, for one.

It wasn't a bash really...

W/good iron sleeves a turbo motor doesn't need an all iron block. The 4G63 is a good motor but it's way out of its prime. Beyond the sleeves I don't know of any advantages to using iron in an engine block

[Raza]

Which is of course, then entire purpose of an Evo...

He also races it. 

[MrH]

300 HP is 300HP, and the 4cyl will still be marginally lighter than the V6. So performance will be the same. But you can look at any car w/similarly powerful engines that are turbo/NA... the smaller displacement turbo motors are always more efficient

Small displacement turbo engines are not always more efficient.  That kind of stupid blanket statement that ignores the countless variables that go into the efficiency of an engine makes me really question if you know what you're talking about.

[Sigma Projects]

The Genesis coupe?  It's on sale? 

I haven't checked dealerships since come to think of it, I don't know where the Hyundai dealers are, lol. But the Coupe I've seen one on surface streets and one of them driving past the Home Depot store.

I've seen quite a few Sedans, but they all looked like they had dealer plates.

[SVT666]

I haven't checked dealerships since come to think of it, I don't know where the Hyundai dealers are, lol. But the Coupe I've seen one on surface streets and one of them driving past the Home Depot store.

I've seen quite a few Sedans, but they all looked like they had dealer plates.

The Genesis Coupe isn't on sale yet, and it isn't even on Hyundai's website.