V6 TSX?

[GoCougs]

It's also impossible to feel torque (low-end grunt) in a Honda 4-banger.

This is too easy.

Oh, gods this post is awesome.

[Soup DeVille]

That is impossible. That would mean the motor revs to 24,307 rpm, but I'm pretty sure the NSX rev limiter was set at 22,000 rpm.

Assuming peak torque is also at 24,307 RPM, which I doubt is the case. Its rare to find an engine that makes peak torque above 15,000 RPM.

[Cookie Monster]

Oh, gods this post is awesome.

DEWD DUNT U KNO DAT J00 MUST REV TEH PISS OOT OF DA S2000 TO MAKE IT MOVE? GOSH.



Seriously though, the "Honda's have no torque" argument is retarded.  Honda motors are high strung but saying that they have no torque or have to be revved past 5,000 RPM to make the car move is retarded.

[Cookie Monster]

You know, it's really funny how bad your insults suck.

And it's also really bad how little torque Honda 4-bangers make. Too bad my sister has a TSX that I've driven a lot, eh?

It's also impossible to feel torque (low-end grunt) in a Honda 4-banger.

This is too easy.

Please go back to jizzing over BMW's and Porsche's and stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

[YO]

it's like debating a 2nd grade soccer team....or herding cats....

Please go back to jizzing over BMW's and Porsche's and stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

[CALL_911]

Please go back to jizzing over BMW's and Porsche's and stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

Yes, because I've never driven a 4-banger Honda. They are fun, but they have no low-end.

[MrH]

Oh, yes, torque as horsepower - my favorite all time "debates" on the Internets.

It's funny for awhile, but sometimes it's just depressing to listen to.

[MrH]

You'd be surprised. I had one physics professor explain to me that parralel lines may or may not intersect each other depending on the shape of the universe.

(but don't make YO try to wrap his head around such concepts, he's a salesman)

It's true!

Non-euclidean geometry is crazy shit.  My math teacher totally blew my mind apart when he explained that triangles don't add up to 180 degrees sometimes.

[sportyaccordy]

The vast majority of Honda 4 bangers really do need to be shifted at 5K or so to make good progress though

[Cookie Monster]

Yes, because I've never driven a 4-banger Honda. They are fun, but they have no low-end.

Yeah, no.

You've driven one 4-cylinder Honda and you automatically say they have no low-end?

And I bet the TSX is just fine anyways.

[Cookie Monster]

The vast majority of Honda 4 bangers really do need to be shifted at 5K or so to make good progress though

I really doubt that seeing as the TSX makes it's peak torque before 5k.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Assuming peak torque is also at 24,307 RPM, which I doubt is the case. Its rare to find an engine that makes peak torque above 15,000 RPM.

IT'S A HONDA, DUDE. YOU ARE WRONG. SOME HONDAS EVEN MAKE PEAK TORK ABOVE PEAK HP, THAT'S HOW AWESOME THEY ARE.

[MX793]

I really doubt that seeing as the TSX makes it's peak torque before 5k.

But to make "good progress", you want to shift near peak power, not peak torque.  And with peak torque somewhere around 4500 RPM, as I recall, that means you need to wick it up to 5K+.

[CALL_911]

But to make "good progress", you want to shift near peak power, not peak torque.  And with peak torque somewhere around 4500 RPM, as I recall, that means you need to whick it up to 5K+.

HP peaks at 7,000 RPM.

[CALL_911]

I really doubt that seeing as the TSX makes it's peak torque before 5k.

It makes it at 4,500 RPM. All 166 lb/ft of it. 

Let's compare that of, oh, I don't know, the B7 A4 2.0T (the FSI motor). It makes peak torque (207 lb/ft) at 1,800 RPM.

The TSX's low-end is earth-shaking, right Rag?

[CALL_911]

Yeah, no.

You've driven one 4-cylinder Honda and you automatically say they have no low-end?

And I bet the TSX is just fine anyways.

Oh, I must be wrong. The torque curve of the S2000 suggests that doesn't make peak torque at 6200 RPM, and peak power at 7800 RPM.

My mistake. Honda 4-bangers are rip-snorting monsters on the low end.

[YO]

the tach in your sig is not real... it's just a picture...

It makes it at 4,500 RPM. All 166 lb/ft of it. 

Let's compare that of, oh, I don't know, the B7 A4 2.0T (the FSI motor). It makes peak torque (207 lb/ft) at 1,800 RPM.

The TSX's low-end is earth-shaking, right Rag?

[MX793]

Oh, I must be wrong. The torque curve of the S2000 suggests that doesn't make peak torque at 6200 RPM, and peak power at 7800 RPM.

My mistake. Honda 4-bangers are rip-snorting monsters on the low end.

The S2000's torque curve is also quite flat.  Peak may technically be at 6200 RPM, but it's still making ~90% of it's peak value down as low as 3000 RPM.

[MX793]

It makes it at 4,500 RPM. All 166 lb/ft of it. 

Let's compare that of, oh, I don't know, the B7 A4 2.0T (the FSI motor). It makes peak torque (207 lb/ft) at 1,800 RPM.

The TSX's low-end is earth-shaking, right Rag?

You can't compare a turbocharged engine's output to a naturally aspirated's.  Apples to oranges.

And it's actually better to make more torque at higher RPMs than at lower.  Peak torque early in the band is only good if you can maintain that torque over the breadth of the band.

Flat torque > Flat Power (which the 2.0T FSI exhibits).

[CALL_911]

the tach in your sig is not real... it's just a picture...

?

[the Teuton]

So the TSX is no longer a nimble lightweight powered by a high-revving I4.  What is it?

I'm thinking it's legitimately a fill-in for the old TL now.

[Cookie Monster]

It makes it at 4,500 RPM. All 166 lb/ft of it. 

Let's compare that of, oh, I don't know, the B7 A4 2.0T (the FSI motor). It makes peak torque (207 lb/ft) at 1,800 RPM.

The TSX's low-end is earth-shaking, right Rag?

LOL

You can't even compare a terbow with an NA.

[Cookie Monster]

Oh, I must be wrong. The torque curve of the S2000 suggests that doesn't make peak torque at 6200 RPM, and peak power at 7800 RPM.

My mistake. Honda 4-bangers are rip-snorting monsters on the low end.

Good job, you can read. Too bad you don't know that peak numbers don't mean much on their own.

[Raza]

LOL

You can't even compare a terbow with an NA.

No, you can't.  It's not fair to NA!

[Eye of the Tiger]

No, you can't.  It's not fair to NA!

It's not NA, it has VTAQ! 

[CALL_911]

So the TSX is no longer a nimble lightweight powered by a high-revving I4.  What is it?

I'm thinking it's legitimately a fill-in for the old TL now.

It still comes with the I4.

[CALL_911]

Good job, you can read. Too bad you don't know that peak numbers don't mean much on their own.

It's fucking peaky. Are you really disagreeing with me? It gets a lot of power at high-RPMs, but not much at low-RPMs. Disagree? Therefore, it has little low-end power.

[the Teuton]

It still comes with the I4.

But it's fat now.

[CALL_911]

But it's fat now.

That's not really breaking news.

[MX793]

I swear, you are such an idiot. It's fucking peaky. Are you really disagreeing with me? It gets a lot of power at high-RPMs, but not much at low-RPMs. Disagree? Therefore, it has little low-end power.

You've never driven a really "peaky" vehicle, have you?  The S2000 has a rather flat torque curve.  Flat torque = steady acceleration vs RPM != peaky.