First Drive: Prepare for War

[SVT666]

I don't know if the 4-way manual seats have lumbar adjustment.  The 6-way power seats do.

And it's not so much that the manual seats are standard as it is that there is no option to upgrade to power (or leather) without stepping up to the much more expensive GT Premium.

It's part of Ford's cost cutting measures.  Fewer individual options.  Packaged options are the way they are going.

[MX793]

It's part of Ford's cost cutting measures.  Fewer individual options.  Packaged options are the way they are going.

Problem is, there really aren't any package options for the base GT (other than the performance pack).  The only real "package" as far as ammenities go is to fork over another 3 grand for the Premium trim level (and get a bunch of stuff you may not want or care about, like Sync).  They could have at least offered a comfort and convenience package for the base GT which included power leather and steering wheel radio controls.

[SVT666]

Genesis Coupe is finally on the Canadian website.  Here is how the pricing breaks down between the Genesis Coupe, Mustang GT, and Challenger R/T in Canuckistan dollars.

Genesis Coupe 3.8 GT Manual (Track Manual in the US)
$36,798.45 incl. destination (not incl. taxes)

Mustang GT comparably equipped
$39,629.00 incl destination (not incl. taxes)
$33,129.00 (instant rebate of $6500)

Challenger R/T
$38,855 not incl. destination

[MX793]

Genesis Coupe is finally on the Canadian website.  Here is how the pricing breaks down between the Genesis Coupe, Mustang GT, and Challenger R/T in Canuckistan dollars.

Genesis Coupe 3.8 GT Manual (Track Manual in the US)
$36,798.45 incl. destination (not incl. taxes)

Mustang GT comparably equipped
$39,629.00 incl destination (not incl. taxes)
$33,129.00 (instant rebate of $6500)

Challenger R/T
$38,855 not incl. destination

That kind of discount has got to be for an '09 Mustang.  Is the '10 up on the Canadian site yet?

As far as '09 discounts go, wow.  Ford's only offering $2000 off in the US.

[SVT666]

That kind of discount has got to be for an '09 Mustang.  Is the '10 up on the Canadian site yet?

As far as '09 discounts go, wow.  Ford's only offering $2000 off in the US.

Yes that's for the '09.  The '10 isn't up yet.

[Tave]

Makes sense, though I rarely make any adjustments beyond the lumber support.

I always switch-up the tilt on the seat back during super long trips, and I occasionally move myself closer to the wheel.

[SVT666]

I always switch-up the tilt on the seat back during super long trips, and I occasionally move myself closer to the wheel.

I don't like power seats.  My Focus has manual seats except for, get this, the height adjustment.  Height adjustment is power and it only operates the seat bottom.  That means the lumbar support doesn't move, so I currently sit a little higher then I would like, but my back doesn't get sore.

[Raza]

I do keep getting the two confused, which is why I think Hyundai should have used different names for these car.  After all, the Genesis sedan and coupe are very different kettles of fish, so it would have made sense.

For the record, I think the Genesis Coupe looks like an interesting proposition.  The side window still looks odd to my eyes, but I can get used to that.  Car Magazine (January 2009, pages 78-86) went to South Korea to drive the 3.8 V6 automatic version and came away very impressed.  Car's Ben Barry says it drives just like an Infiniti G37 Coupe (high praise, indeed) but costs less than a Nissan 370Z.  Now that's something I can get excited about!

The Genesis Sedan, however, just leaves me cold.


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Madman of the People

The Genesis sedan is supposed to leave you cold.  Comfortable, and with thousands of dollars in your wallet, but cold nonetheless.  Although, in some Genesis sedan models, there is leather on the dashboard where there's plastic in my dad's 75K Lexus. 

[Raza]

WTF is a multi-purpose coupe?  Because I'm pretty sure the Genesis Coupe ain't that.  It's a direct competitor to the Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc.

Car and Driver apparently got a 0-60 time of 6.0 seconds for the Genesis V6 sedan. 

6.7 is not where the coupe should be.  Either there is something wrong with the manual transmission, wrong with the testers, or wrong with the cars they had.

[MX793]

Car and Driver apparently got a 0-60 time of 6.0 seconds for the Genesis V6 sedan. 

6.7 is not where the coupe should be.  Either there is something wrong with the manual transmission, wrong with the testers, or wrong with the cars they had.

Edmunds got 6.4 (6.1 w/ dragstrip rollout).  C&D got 5.7.  I'm not aware of anybody getting 6.7.

[Raza]

If you get tired of one position, its easier and safer to make small adjustments while driving with the power seats than with a manual.

I see power seats as great for cars that have more than one regular driver.  Otherwise, manual are generally fine. 

In my Passat, I never had to move the seatback in long trips.  In the Jetta, though, I have (it lacks some of the lumbar support the Passat had), but it has a power seatback for the driver.  The Passat had a dial for the seatback, as I recall, so it was easy to adjust in small increments.

[Submariner]

The Genesis sedan is supposed to leave you cold.  Comfortable, and with thousands of dollars in your wallet, but cold nonetheless.  Although, in some Genesis sedan models, there is leather on the dashboard where there's plastic in my dad's 75K Lexus. 

Which I believe is cheaper than decent wood...something abundant in your dad's Lexus.

[Submariner]

Car and Driver apparently got a 0-60 time of 6.0 seconds for the Genesis V6 sedan. 

6.7 is not where the coupe should be.  Either there is something wrong with the manual transmission, wrong with the testers, or wrong with the cars they had.

Car and Driver has frequently recorded unusually fast 0-60 times. 

[TBR]

Which I believe is cheaper than decent wood...something abundant in your dad's Lexus.

I don't know about you, but wood seems really overdone to me.

And C/D's times aren't really that fast. MT is usually similar and R&T would be except they don't correct their times for weather.

[TBR]

As it happens, "wood" is used in lower level Genesises:

[Submariner]

Heh, that look's far better than the leather lined dashboard.

One question though...is it real wood?

[TBR]

Heh, that look's far better than the leather lined dashboard.

One question though...is it real wood?

I definitely disagree.

And, I rather doubt it.

[Submariner]

I definitely disagree.

And, I rather doubt it.

The wood has the same wrap around effect used in most large luxo cars, to great effect.  It looks rich. 

The leather simply extends the interiors color over the dash, and doesn't tie in the wood panels on the doors.  I have a feeling part of the reason they did it was so they could say "leather covered dash" something offered only in V12 models from Germany. 

[Onslaught]

It's not real wood. But the "wood" on the dash looks better than the "wood" on the door trim panel. Why they didn't use the same "wood" on both is strange.

Leather looks better.

[Submariner]

It's not real wood. But the "wood" on the dash looks better than the "wood" on the door trim panel. Why they didn't use the same "wood" on both is strange.

Leather looks better.

Hmmmph...I guess I should actually sit in the thing before I make judgement. 

[Raza]

Which I believe is cheaper than decent wood...something abundant in your dad's Lexus.

Wood is available in higher trims, I believe.  The Genesis sedan I checked out was a 3.8L model going for just 40K.

[CJ]

Wood is available in higher trims, I believe.  The Genesis sedan I checked out was a 3.8L model going for just 40K.

Wood is only available on the steering wheel on the upper level models.  The base model is the only one with wood on the dash.

[MX793]

I found a sub-titled Korean review of the 3.8 Coupe on YouTube and heard/read something interesting.  The reviewer complained about the 3 second lag during hard shifts that Edmunds complained about, and he then said it was caused by the overly intrusive VDC system.  I wonder if Edmunds left the VDC on when doing their acceleration runs.  C&D didn't complain about the lag and I'm pretty certain they did their testing with all driving aids shut off.

[Panama Jack]

Saw one earlier this week on the freeway driving home from work.

It was a dark grey color.

Car looks great in person. I was surprised how good it looked.

[ifcar]

Update:

The Edmunds test Genesis apparently had bad front tires and bad rear alignment, and Hyundai has also reprogrammed the ECU. 0-60 was cut by half a second, to 5.9 seconds.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-v6-track-retest.html

[MX793]

I would have thought the new tires would have increased skidpad grip.  Granted, it was a different test on a different day, and the difference in grip wasn't that big.

[Raza]

Update:

The Edmunds test Genesis apparently had bad front tires and bad rear alignment, and Hyundai has also reprogrammed the ECU. 0-60 was cut by half a second, to 5.9 seconds.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-v6-track-retest.html

5.9 is still kind of slow for what it should be.

[ifcar]

5.9 is still kind of slow for what it should be.

Edmunds times are always lower than most.

[MX793]

5.9 is still kind of slow for what it should be.

5.9 was without rollout.  They got 5.7 w/ rollout, which I believe is the exact time C&D got.  Still a bit slower than I'd expect given it's power and weight and the fact that it will hit 60 in 2nd.  And the dyno showed it was definately making the advertised power, so they didn't have a dog.

[SVT666]

5.9 was without rollout.  They got 5.7 w/ rollout, which I believe is the exact time C&D got.  Still a bit slower than I'd expect given it's power and weight and the fact that it will hit 60 in 2nd.  And the dyno showed it was definately making the advertised power, so they didn't have a dog.

It's not a little slow.  It's a lot slow.  The Mustang GT they tested against the 370Z hit 60 mph in 4.9 with the 1 foot rollout.