First Drive: Prepare for War

[Madman]

Madman, you do realize that we're talking about the Genesis COUPE and not the Genesis sedan, right?

I do keep getting the two confused, which is why I think Hyundai should have used different names for these car.  After all, the Genesis sedan and coupe are very different kettles of fish, so it would have made sense.

For the record, I think the Genesis Coupe looks like an interesting proposition.  The side window still looks odd to my eyes, but I can get used to that.  Car Magazine (January 2009, pages 78-86) went to South Korea to drive the 3.8 V6 automatic version and came away very impressed.  Car's Ben Barry says it drives just like an Infiniti G37 Coupe (high praise, indeed) but costs less than a Nissan 370Z.  Now that's something I can get excited about!

The Genesis Sedan, however, just leaves me cold.


Cheers,
Madman of the People

[Cookie Monster]

The more I think about it, the slower the Genesis 3.8 seems. A Camry V6 could keep up with it in a drag race.

2.0T for me, please.

[SVT666]

The more I think about it, the slower the Genesis 3.8 seems. A Camry V6 could keep up with it in a drag race.

2.0T for me, please.

So you can get your ass kicked by a Camry?

[Cookie Monster]

So you can get your ass kicked by a Camry?

It's cheaper.

IMO for $30k I'd rather take a 2.0T Track with some mods than a 3.8.

[2o6]

The more I think about it, the slower the Genesis 3.8 seems. A Camry V6 could keep up with it in a drag race.

2.0T for me, please.

A camry V6 is actually really, really fast. Unreasonably so.

[Vinsanity]

A camry V6 is actually really, really fast. Unreasonably so.

There's no such thing.

[TBR]

That's dumb.  That's like saying a 500 hp car that does 0-60 mph in 5 seconds is fast enough even though it should be closer to 4 seconds like it's competitors.

It depends on the kind of a car. For a multi-purpose coupe like the Genesis, I think it is acceptable for it to be a bit slower.

[CALL_911]

It depends on the kind of a car. For a multi-purpose coupe like the Genesis, I think it is acceptable for it to be a bit slower.

Because it's a performance coupe, right?

[SVT666]

It depends on the kind of a car. For a multi-purpose coupe like the Genesis, I think it is acceptable for it to be a bit slower.

WTF is a multi-purpose coupe?  Because I'm pretty sure the Genesis Coupe ain't that.  It's a direct competitor to the Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc.

[Eye of the Tiger]

WTF is a multi-purpose coupe?  Because I'm pretty sure the Genesis Coupe ain't that.  It's a direct competitor to the Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc.

Purpose 1: sporty coupe machine
Purpose 2: off road machine
Purpose 3: sporty off road coupe machine

[TBR]

WTF is a multi-purpose coupe?  Because I'm pretty sure the Genesis Coupe ain't that.  It's a direct competitor to the Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc.

Basically anything that isn't likely a Sunday driver.

[MX793]

Ford Canada is offering an automatic $5000 off the MSRP of the Mustang GT right now which makes a Mustang GT with Trak Pak et all less then the Hyundai Genesis Coupe and it's still a second faster to 60 mph.

What year Mustang are you looking at for pricing:  '09 or '10?  I find it hard to believe they'd be offering that much off on the '10s right out of the gate.

[SVT666]

What year Mustang are you looking at for pricing:  '09 or '10?  I find it hard to believe they'd be offering that much off on the '10s right out of the gate.

There's no pricing available for the '10s since they aren't on dealer lots until April.

[MX793]

There's no pricing available for the '10s since they aren't on dealer lots until April.

Ford released 2010 Mustang pricing info at least for US cars.  You can't price one out on their configurator as the '10s aren't on Ford's site yet, but price/option sheets are out on the web (which is how I priced out a '10 model).

[SVT666]

Ford released 2010 Mustang pricing info at least for US cars.  You can't price one out on their configurator as the '10s aren't on Ford's site yet, but price/option sheets are out on the web (which is how I priced out a '10 model).

I think the '10 is about $750 more then a '09.

[MX793]

I think the '10 is about $750 more then a '09.

The base GT is $850 more, but the Premium trim is roughly $2K more than the '09 Premium.  It also appears that they've eliminate some options from the base GT (perhaps to push buyers towards the pricier Premium).  For instance, power seats used to be standard.  Now they're apparently not even available on the base GT.

[MX793]

And a quick trip to Ford's site reveals that the 2010 is now up on their configurator so I can definately confirm the price sheets that were leaked on the web.

Looks like they really cut back on options for the base GT.  For '09, there were 3 wheel choices.  For '10, the standard wheel is the only choice. 

Leather is no longer an available option for the base GT.  I'm pleased that they've apparently ditched that tacky "pony" pattern apholstry, at least.  Contrary to initial reports, power driver's seat is still standard.  So it's not a total loss.  EDIT:  I see now that the base GT only gets 4-way adjustable manual seats, not power.

For '09, you could upgrade the base stereo to either a 6CD changer or Shaker 500.  Now there is no upgrade stereo option (but the 6 disk changer is standard).  Shaker sound systems are Premium trim levels (V6 or V8) only.

In fact, the only real optional equipment is the performance pack (shorter rearend gear, twin piston calipers w/ upgraded pads and recalibrated stability control, a $495 option) and color and transmission choice.  If you want any level of added creature comforts, you're forced to step up to the Premium.

Basically, a "loaded" base GT is less than $1000 cheaper than a Genesis V6 Track.

A "premium" model with the comfort pack, interior upgrade pack (gets you "sport buckets", which I presume are more supportive than the standard seats), and performance pack runs $33,330.  That does not include HIDs (might not be available yet, I suspect those will be about $500 like on the '09). 

FYI, the performance pack is not the same as the track pack (which is not yet available).  The track pack, once available, should add roughly another grand to these prices.

Also of note, they offer some exterior add-on packages for the Premium that I think look pretty badass (albeit ricy).

[CJ]

The Genesis Coupe and Mustang are very different.  The Mustang is great in a straight line, but not as good in the twisties.  The Genesis Coupe is great in the bends, but not so much in a straight line. 

[MX793]

More from Edmunds

Genesis vs G37 comparo
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=142826

Genesis dyno results (impressed by the flatness of the torque curve)
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/02/inside-line-dyno-tests-the-2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html

[SVT666]

More from Edmunds

Genesis vs G37 comparo
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=142826

Genesis dyno results (impressed by the flatness of the torque curve)
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/02/inside-line-dyno-tests-the-2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html

How can the tach not keep up with the actual engine speed?  That's crap.

[MX793]

How can the tach not keep up with the actual engine speed?  That's crap.

Are you talking about the gap in the dyno?  That's due to a problem with the dyno's recording, not the car's tach (sounds like their tach pickup sensor for the dyno came loose)

And it's actually not that uncommon for the tach to not be able to keep up with the actual engine revs, particularly in first gear when revs climb fast.  I was just reading a review of the GT-R in an older R&T where they commented that the engine gains revs so fast in first gear that the tach can't keep up.  You end up hitting the rev limiter before the tach is quite in the redline.

[SVT666]

Are you talking about the gap in the dyno?  That's due to a problem with the dyno's recording, not the car's tach (sounds like their tach pickup sensor for the dyno came loose)

And it's actually not that uncommon for the tach to not be able to keep up with the actual engine revs, particularly in first gear when revs climb fast.  I was just reading a review of the GT-R in an older R&T where they commented that the engine gains revs so fast in first gear that the tach can't keep up.  You end up hitting the rev limiter before the tach is quite in the redline.

That's the same problem with the Genesis as stated in that Edmunds column.  As far as I'm concerned, there's no excuse for that.  I've never driven a car with that problem.

[TBR]

These are probably preproduction cars we're talking about here.

[TBR]

Leather is no longer an available option for the base GT.  I'm pleased that they've apparently ditched that tacky "pony" pattern apholstry, at least.  Contrary to initial reports, power driver's seat is still standard.  So it's not a total loss.  EDIT:  I see now that the base GT only gets 4-way adjustable manual seats, not power.

That's a bad thing? I definitely prefer manual seats to power ones.

[Soup DeVille]

That's a bad thing? I definitely prefer manual seats to power ones.

On very ;long trips, power seats can be a boon, but in general I agree with you.

[TBR]

On very ;long trips, power seats can be a boon, but in general I agree with you.

Just out of curiousity, how so?

[Soup DeVille]

Just out of curiousity, how so?

If you get tired of one position, its easier and safer to make small adjustments while driving with the power seats than with a manual.

[TBR]

If you get tired of one position, its easier and safer to make small adjustments while driving with the power seats than with a manual.

Makes sense, though I rarely make any adjustments beyond the lumber support.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I love power seats cuz I am teh lazy.
But only in my luxo-boat cars, not my sporty fun cars.

[MX793]

That's a bad thing? I definitely prefer manual seats to power ones.

I don't know if the 4-way manual seats have lumbar adjustment.  The 6-way power seats do.

And it's not so much that the manual seats are standard as it is that there is no option to upgrade to power (or leather) without stepping up to the much more expensive GT Premium.