SVT revival thread!

Started by SVT_Power, March 16, 2009, 09:02:26 PM

What's the best way?

Use the lift to act as an engine hoist and drop the engine
6 (85.7%)
Use the lift to act as an engine hoist and pull the engine
0 (0%)
Start taking stuff off the top and pull the block in the end
1 (14.3%)

Total Members Voted: 7

SVT_Power

Okay so I have no engine hoist

So do I:

1. Use the lift to act as an engine hoist and drop the engine
2. Use the lift to act as an engine hoist and pull the engine
3. Start taking stuff off the top and pull the block in the end

#1 is what it says in the service manual
#2 seems the most convenient although might cause headaches because there's so little room
#3 is probably the best learning experience
"On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit'. And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." - Ayrton Senna

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Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
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Secret Chimp

In FWD cars it seems like most people get the car waaaaaay the fuck up in the air and then drop the engine through the bottom.


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The Pirate

Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 16, 2009, 10:34:03 PM
In FWD cars it seems like most people get the car waaaaaay the fuck up in the air and then drop the engine through the bottom.

On that note, you'd want to be careful, but you could possibly use a motorcycle jack to support the engine as it's being pulled out of the car.
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Quote from: omicron on July 10, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
After you wake up with the sun at 6am on someone's floor, coughing up cigarette butts and tasting like warm beer, you may well change your opinion on this matter.

Laconian

Are you doing the entire swap yourself?
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Byteme

Depends on what you are working on.  On some cars it makes sense to drop the engine, in others it's better to pull it out the top.


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Eye of the Tiger

Swift engine was best pulled from the top with the transaxle. Contour engine I'm not sure, but I think the procedures I sent him said to separate the engine from the trans and pull it out the top?
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Eye of the Tiger

No, nevermind, this is what it says

"Lower the engine/transaxle assembly from the vehicle, =r raise the vehicle over the assembly."

So, all you need is a few jacks and a frame life - no engine hoist required.
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S204STi

The typical service proceedure for this vehicle would be to drop the engine cradle with the engine and transmission together and lift the vehicle out of the way.  This is something you need a lift for.  You could use jack stands to support the engine cradle rather than the special tool that Ford recommends. 

(Basically what I would do is disconnect everything from the engine/transmission, figure on also removing the CV axles from the wheel bearings, remove brake calipers and hang them on the body somewhere under the wheel well, disconnect steering shaft under the dash, etc. etc. etc., lower vehicle so that jackstands are supporting subframe, unbolt subframe, lift vehicle away from subframe).

S204STi

You will eventually need an engine hoist however to lift the engine from the subframe and install the new/used one.

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: R-inge on March 17, 2009, 08:46:10 AM
You will eventually need an engine hoist however to lift the engine from the subframe and install the new/used one.

Ya, engines are heavy, even with 3 people to pick it up. And maneuvering it around to line it back up with the trans is a big enough pain in the ass without having to worry about carrying all the weight of the engine yourself.
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FoMoJo

I've removed engines with a couple of double pulleys (block and tackle) supported by a beam in the garage.  Just lift the engine up and push the car back.  Get a 4 wheel dolley to set the engine on and you can do it by yourself; providing you've got a handy beam to attach the block and tackle to.
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Byteme

Quote from: FoMoJo on March 17, 2009, 12:22:49 PM
I've removed engines with a couple of double pulleys (block and tackle) supported by a beam in the garage.  Just lift the engine up and push the car back.  Get a 4 wheel dolley to set the engine on and you can do it by yourself; providing you've got a handy beam to attach the block and tackle to.

I've done that myself with some lumber and a chain hoist.  Built an a-frame structure to which I attached the chain hoist.

I suppose buying an engine hoist is out of the question?  See:
http://www.bizrate.com/automotiverepairtools/products__keyword--engine+hoist.html

You might want to check pawn shops or craig's list for a used one.  Think about investing in an engine leveler as well.

FoMoJo

Quote from: Byteme on March 17, 2009, 02:02:40 PM
I've done that myself with some lumber and a chain hoist.  Built an a-frame structure to which I attached the chain hoist.

I suppose buying an engine hoist is out of the question?  See:
http://www.bizrate.com/automotiverepairtools/products__keyword--engine+hoist.html

You might want to check pawn shops or craig's list for a used one.  Think about investing in an engine leveler as well.
They're pretty cheap today compared to years ago.  Once I start my project I plan on getting a few helpful items; including an Autotwirler.
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SVT_Power

we're trying to avoid having to discharge the A/C so we're gonna pull it up through the top
"On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit'. And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." - Ayrton Senna

SVT_Power

update for the night:

not too much progress got about 1/4 through the process according to the service manual
"On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit'. And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." - Ayrton Senna

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: M_power on March 17, 2009, 09:08:45 PM
we're trying to avoid having to discharge the A/C so we're gonna pull it up through the top


wat
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280Z Turbo

Quote from: NACar on March 17, 2009, 09:11:59 PM
wat

The compressor is probably bolted to the bottom of the block.

S204STi

I suppose that could work.  Could also just unbolt the compressor from the block and let it sit off the the side...

280Z Turbo

It worked when I swapped the motor on the Z.

SVT_Power

4 bolts holding transaxle and engine together. those out tmr morning and then engine out as well
"On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit'. And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." - Ayrton Senna

SVT_Power

oh and i just zip tied the A/C compressor onto the side without taking anything off :praise:
"On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit'. And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." - Ayrton Senna

Raza

This is a long time coming.  Good luck, Ed.
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S204STi

Quote from: M_power on March 18, 2009, 10:34:02 PM
oh and i just zip tied the A/C compressor onto the side without taking anything off :praise:

That's the spirit.

Laconian

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