2009 Audi A4 2.0T vs. 2005 Honda Accord sedan V6

[Hachee]

It's true!

That said, I think we could throw a bunch of guidos overboard. I'd be fine with that. 

Glad you said that, not me!  Listen, I'm FROM there, so I know.  Westchester people think they're better (and we are), and Long Island people don't give a shit.  The only thing you have are the great beaches, I'll give you that.

[CALL_911]

Glad you said that, not me!  Listen, I'm FROM there, so I know.  Westchester people think they're better (and we are), and Long Island people don't give a shit.  The only thing you have are the great beaches, I'll give you that.

Grew up here? Whereabouts?

Westchester's too "old" for me. As for the beaches, first thing that comes to anyone's mind is Jones Beach. Jones Beach is horrible, it's absolutely disgusting. There are MUCH, much, much better beaches in the area.

[GoCougs]

Honda Accord: FWD, 240HP, prob like 3400#

Audi: AWD? 210HP? 3600#?

Seems like a no brainer

Plus u won the race, but at the end of the day he gets to drive an Audi

Uh, and the means what exactly? The A4 (and C-class) are the pinnacle of poser badge snobbery; they're for people who really can't afford anything more than a CamCord, but are desperate to act like a high roller.

[CALL_911]

Uh, and the means what exactly? The A4 (and C-class) are the pinnacle of poser badge snobbery; they're for people who really can't afford anything more than a CamCord, but are desperate to act like a high roller.

You haven't driven an A4, have you? You'd be surprised.

My parents bought the A4 because it's low-key, unlike the C-Class/3er. They could most certainly afford more than a CamCord, however.

[sportyaccordy]

Uh, and the means what exactly? The A4 (and C-class) are the pinnacle of poser badge snobbery; they're for people who really can't afford anything more than a CamCord, but are desperate to act like a high roller.

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Or maybe they're alternatives for people who prefer cars that look good and are enjoyable to drive?

You almost sound.... bitter. You bought your car for $21K. Do you know how much car you can get for that much money?

[the Teuton]

Nassau.

We're better than you.

I believe Westchester is a richer county than Nassau.

In any case, suck on some Allegheny County, biznatches!

[CALL_911]

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Or maybe they're alternatives for people who prefer cars that look good and are enjoyable to drive?

You almost sound.... bitter. You bought your car for $21K. Do you know how much car you can get for that much money?

I don't think he's bitter, considering he could probably afford a C/A4/3er.

He's definitely misinformed. His Accord may be quick, but it doesn't drive nearly as well as the A4. And I'm using the TL for comparison, I haven't driven the Accord.

[GoCougs]

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Or maybe they're alternatives for people who prefer cars that look good and are enjoyable to drive?

You almost sound.... bitter. You bought your car for $21K. Do you know how much car you can get for that much money?

If I sound bitter, I don't intend to. If I wanted more car, it'd be sitting in the driveway.

As a few keep implying, I'm hot addressing now the A4 supposedly drives. I really don't care, nor do the vast majority of people who buy them. I'm sure however it does not have the ride and road noise issues typical of Honda.

[CALL_911]

If I sound bitter, I don't intend to. If I wanted more car, it'd be sitting in the driveway.

As a few keep implying, I'm hot addressing now the A4 supposedly drives. I really don't care, nor do the vast majority of people who buy them. I'm sure however it does not have the ride and road noise issues typical of Honda.

So the only merit of the A4 lies in the badge, which you immediately dismiss as being pretentious? That's just inane.

[GoCougs]

So the only merit of the A4 lies in the badge, which you immediately dismiss as being pretentious? That's just inane.

Wow, pretty good - though I'd say "primary" merit.

[CALL_911]

Wow, pretty good - though I'd say "primary" merit.

Keep in mind, I don't mean to insult you. However, the A4 really is good enough to offset a price difference between it and an Accord.

[sportyaccordy]

If I sound bitter, I don't intend to. If I wanted more car, it'd be sitting in the driveway.

As a few keep implying, I'm hot addressing now the A4 supposedly drives. I really don't care, nor do the vast majority of people who buy them. I'm sure however it does not have the ride and road noise issues typical of Honda.

The notion that everyone who buys an entry level German car for badge only is ridiculous.

[TBR]

The notion that everyone who buys an entry level German car for badge only is ridiculous.

+1

Yes there are people who  buy them that can't really afford them, but there are also legions of people that buy Accords yet can't afford them.

[Cookie Monster]

+1

Yes there are people who  buy them that can't really afford them, but there are also legions of people that buy Accords yet can't afford them.

But do they buy an entry level German car for the driving experience? I'd think most do not.

Most people do buy for the badge only.

[TBR]

But do they buy an entry level German car for the driving experience? I'd think most do not.

Most people do buy for the badge only.

And a lot of people buy Accords for the badge only too.

The kind of people that buy a car doesn't detract from the car, except in extreme cases (ie: BMW ).

[CALL_911]

But do they buy an entry level German car for the driving experience? I'd think most do not.

Most people do buy for the badge only.

But many do buy for the driving experience. Regardless of the motive for buying these cars, they do deliver on the 'driving experience' front.

[sportyaccordy]

But do they buy an entry level German car for the driving experience? I'd think most do not.

Most people do buy for the badge only.

You guys are making quantum leaps here based on evidence that has yet to be proven as correct. Even if one has worked in a dealership, patterns of buyers could just be a local phenomenon. Not to mention most luxury cars are leased, making the monthly outlay not much more than it would be to outright buy an Accord.

At the end of the day, pretty much any enthusiast would be happy losing a race to an Accord and getting to cruise in a brand new A4.

What would you rather drive?

128i or a Camry V6?
C350 or a FWD Impala SS?
A4 2.0 or an Accord V6 auto w/no sunroof, no ABS and cloth seats????
Etc.

Cmon give me a break.

[2o6]

Fit and Finish, materials quality among many,many, other things are the reason why entry level luxury cars succeed.


It's like Filet Mignon compared to a large cut of skirt steak. Yeah, the skirt steak is really tasty, but the Filet Mignon is a quality piece of meat.

[nickdrinkwater]

Can I just say that when Wimmer mentions 'Europeans' he doesn't speak for me.  I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what has been said, just that there's not really any such thing as a 'European' customer.

[CALL_911]

You guys are making quantum leaps here based on evidence that has yet to be proven as correct. Even if one has worked in a dealership, patterns of buyers could just be a local phenomenon. Not to mention most luxury cars are leased, making the monthly outlay not much more than it would be to outright buy an Accord.

At the end of the day, pretty much any enthusiast would be happy losing a race to an Accord and getting to cruise in a brand new A4.

What would you rather drive?

128i or a Camry V6?
C350 or a FWD Impala SS?
A4 2.0 or an Accord V6 auto w/no sunroof, no ABS and cloth seats????
Etc.

Cmon give me a break.

Hey!

The 128i could most certainly hold a candle to the Camry V6 in a straight line!

[Cookie Monster]

Hey!

The 128i could most certainly hold a candle to the Camry V6 in a straight line!

No.

[Cookie Monster]

But many do buy for the driving experience. Regardless of the motive for buying these cars, they do deliver on the 'driving experience' front.

Ok, at least around here, where I live, I see BMWs and Audis being driven around by Asian women. I'm going to assume that most of those Asian women are not car enthusiasts (actually probably none of them are). They just buy it because BMW and Audi = prestigious.

Just take my mom. She wants a BMW. I ask why. She says "It's a BMW!" This may not be the case for everyone obviously but I'm betting it is for most people.

[Cookie Monster]

And a lot of people buy Accords for the badge only too.

The kind of people that buy a car doesn't detract from the car, except in extreme cases (ie: BMW ).

I wouldn't say that people buy the Accord for the badge... there's nothing glamorous or cool about driving an Accord (unless it's the 6th gen Accord ). They buy it more for the perceived reliability.

Plus there aren't many cheaper alternatives for a car its size, anyways.

[Vinsanity]

Uh, and the means what exactly? The A4 (and C-class) are the pinnacle of poser badge snobbery; they're for people who really can't afford anything more than a CamCord, but are desperate to act like a high roller.

OTOH, if you could buy a premium car like the Audi for not much more than an Accord, then why not go for it?

[CALL_911]

No.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0710_2008_honda_accord_vs_2007_toyota_camry/index.html
Camry SE does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.6@97.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/08q3/2008_bmw_128i-short_take_road_test/specs_page_3
128i does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5@96.

Keep in mind, when I say "hold a candle," I don't necessarily mean the 1er is faster, but I do mean that the Camry doesn't really kick its ass like you think it does.

You're wrong.

Ok, at least around here, where I live, I see BMWs and Audis being driven around by Asian women. I'm going to assume that most of those Asian women are not car enthusiasts (actually probably none of them are). They just buy it because BMW and Audi = prestigious.

Just take my mom. She wants a BMW. I ask why. She says "It's a BMW!" This may not be the case for everyone obviously but I'm betting it is for most people.

That's wonderful, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that regardless of the buyers who buy for the badge, the cars actually do deliver on the driving experience front.

[Cookie Monster]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0710_2008_honda_accord_vs_2007_toyota_camry/index.html
Camry SE does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.6@97.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/08q3/2008_bmw_128i-short_take_road_test/specs_page_3
128i does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5@96.

Keep in mind, when I say "hold a candle," I don't necessarily mean the 1er is faster, but I do mean that the Camry doesn't really kick its ass like you think it does.

You're wrong.

That's wonderful, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that regardless of the buyers who buy for the badge, the cars actually do deliver on the driving experience front.

OK, the 128i does it faster than I though (I thought it was low 6's) and the Camry does it in 5.8 sec FWIW.


And I'm not saying that the cars don't deliver on the driving experience, I'm saying that most people don't buy them for the driving experience, but for the badge. When did I say otherwise?

[CALL_911]

OK, the 128i does it faster than I though (I thought it was low 6's) and the Camry does it in 5.8 sec FWIW.


And I'm not saying that the cars don't deliver on the driving experience, I'm saying that most people don't buy them for the driving experience, but for the badge. When did I say otherwise?

I guess we're both taking Coug's point two different ways. We're not directly arguing with each other.

[Cookie Monster]

I guess we're both taking Coug's point two different ways. We're not directly arguing with each other.

Yeah, I suppose.

One thing that I find odd: I think all 3 series are overpriced, but the M3 is an awesome deal. $54k for the E90 M3.

[CALL_911]

Yeah, I suppose.

One thing that I find odd: I think all 3 series are overpriced, but the M3 is an awesome deal. $54k for the E90 M3.

A base 328i isn't a terrible deal, and I don't think the 335i is horrible either. Keep in mind, with options, yeah, they get way out of hand.

Good luck finding a stripper M3. If I were in the market for an M3, I'd order a base M3 with nothing other than heated seats.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I need zn Audu