Infiniti M!

[sportyaccordy]

Damn, looks a lot bigger and bulbous in the flesh

Looks like Infiniti is going for the CTS/STS deal. I'm still holding out hope for a Q return with an optional V12

[CJ]

Isn't the offical debut not till december?  It's a rather casual way to post the first pics of the actual car.

Who cares?  It's ugly anyway.

[Onslaught]

I think it looks really good.

[Colonel Cadillac]

I like it

[Catman]

Looks awesome!

[sportyaccordy]

I think the interior beats out the XF

[Submariner]

I think the interior beats out the XF

That is very nice, but I have a feeling it will look over styled in person, as holds true with the exterior.

[Vinsanity]

well what do you know, it looks better in real life pics than in the fancy rendering

[Submariner]

well what do you know, it looks better in real life pics than in the fancy rendering

That's very true. 

[TBR]

I think the interior beats out the XF

I don't care for the two-tone set-up, but with colors that contrast better or in solid black it would be quite good looking. Infiniti interiors are really excellent these days.

[omicron]

I'm not really sure what to think. It's not bad, but it seems to have eaten one too many pies.

[cawimmer430]

I actually prefer the outgoing model. This looks bloated. The interior looks great in terms of materials but the design doesn't appeal to me. I like simple interiors that flow and don't look too high tech.

[the Teuton]

History and heritage. This has none.

[cawimmer430]

^Quote editing is fun, eh?^ 

[sportyaccordy]

I actually prefer the outgoing model. This looks bloated. The interior looks great in terms of materials but the design doesn't appeal to me. I like simple interiors that flow and don't look too high tech.

Outgoing model was outdated performance-wise. Assuming the pricing doesn't change much the new car will be much more competitive.

And I agree that it looks bloated. But it is still a pretty sharp design. Plus to me the interior is win. For cars like this, arguably the interior is more important than the exterior (which is why I could prob see myself getting a last gen TL Type-S over an E60 530i or W211 E350).

IMO Lexus better shape up, the weak ass GS doesn't stand a chance.

[TBR]

Outgoing model was outdated performance-wise. Assuming the pricing doesn't change much the new car will be much more competitive.

And I agree that it looks bloated. But it is still a pretty sharp design. Plus to me the interior is win. For cars like this, arguably the interior is more important than the exterior (which is why I could prob see myself getting a last gen TL Type-S over an E60 530i or W211 E350).

IMO Lexus better shape up, the weak ass GS doesn't stand a chance.

The GS has been at the back of the class since it came out yet people still seem to buy them

[Colonel Cadillac]

I can't wait for the new 5-series and A6 to come out. I am going to have a good time picking out a new car for my dad from this class--lots of competition.

[ifcar]

The GS has been at the back of the class since it came out yet people still seem to buy them

Not too many, but definitely more than should.

[TBR]

I can't wait for the new 5-series and A6 to come out. I am going to have a good time picking out a new car for my dad from this class--lots of competition.

Any news on when a new A6 is coming out? They just did a fairly significant update to the current car so it seems like it would be a while, but it has been out for 4-5 years already.

[sportyaccordy]

The GS has been at the back of the class since it came out yet people still seem to buy them

Some ppl just don't know about cars

[Raza]

The GS has been at the back of the class since it came out yet people still seem to buy them

Because it's the best value. 

[TBR]

Because it's the best value.  

Even if it is the cheapest in the class (a point which I'll concede merely because I don't care enough to research), it isn't necessarily the best value. A car that is markedly worse than its competitors yet costs only slightly less than a few of them (thinking Jaguar XF, Audi A6, and Infiniti M) can't be the best value, or even a good value.

If you want to argue value based purely on the lowest price, then the Acura RL wins, and it's probably a better car too.

[Raza]

Even if it is the cheapest in the class (a point which I'll concede merely because I don't care enough to research), it isn't necessarily the best value. A car that is markedly worse than its competitors yet costs only slightly less than a few of them (thinking Jaguar XF, Audi A6, and Infiniti M) can't be the best value, or even a good value.

If you want to argue value based purely on the lowest price, then the Acura RL wins, and it's probably a better car too.

I don't, I don't know where you got the idea.

I've driven it, and I have a hard time believing that not only are the other cars noticeably better (with the possible exceptions of the 5 and E), but also that they are better in ways the target market will care about.  It's considerably cheaper, and also comes packed with features that add thousands to the price of an Audi, BMW, or Mercedes.  Mercedes sells the E class without leather standard, for fuck's sake.  You've got to be kidding that it's not the best value. 

As for the RL being a better car, that's probably a joke too, right? 

[ifcar]

I don't, I don't know where you got the idea.

I've driven it, and I have a hard time believing that not only are the other cars noticeably better (with the possible exceptions of the 5 and E), but also that they are better in ways the target market will care about.  It's considerably cheaper, and also comes packed with features that add thousands to the price of an Audi, BMW, or Mercedes.  Mercedes sells the E class without leather standard, for fuck's sake.  You've got to be kidding that it's not the best value. 

As for the RL being a better car, that's probably a joke too, right? 

Reviews I've read of the GS say it falls behind in both ride and handling, and I can say it very obviously lacks interior space for its size.

Where would you say it makes up for that?

[CaMIRO]

As for the RL being a better car, that's probably a joke too, right? 

One would hope.

[sportyaccordy]

Reviews I've read of the GS say it falls behind in both ride and handling, and I can say it very obviously lacks interior space for its size.

Where would you say it makes up for that?

Price :)

[TBR]

I don't, I don't know where you got the idea.

I've driven it, and I have a hard time believing that not only are the other cars noticeably better (with the possible exceptions of the 5 and E), but also that they are better in ways the target market will care about.  It's considerably cheaper, and also comes packed with features that add thousands to the price of an Audi, BMW, or Mercedes.  Mercedes sells the E class without leather standard, for fuck's sake.  You've got to be kidding that it's not the best value. 

I am not talking about BMW or Mercedes. I am talking about Audi, Jaguar, and Infiniti. All three make a better midsize sports sedan for not just a whole lot more.

As for the RL being a better car, that's probably a joke too, right? 

No.

[nickdrinkwater]

The GS is a very nice car.  No way it's bottom of the class IMO.

[ifcar]

The GS is a very nice car.  No way it's bottom of the class IMO.

Your opinion is based on...

[Yawn]

Any news on when a new A6 is coming out? They just did a fairly significant update to the current car so it seems like it would be a while, but it has been out for 4-5 years already.

Based on sales, it didnt help...