2011 Mustang GT 5.0

[S204STi]

Nice.

[MX793]

They brag about the motor being 100 lbs lighter, but what about the rest of the car?  What's the total weight loss or gain?  The new aluminum V6 in the base car is a fair bit lighter than the old, iron block Cologne, but the whole car ended up gaining about 50 lbs.

[SVT666]

They brag about the motor being 100 lbs lighter, but what about the rest of the car?  What's the total weight loss or gain?  The new aluminum V6 in the base car is a fair bit lighter than the old, iron block Cologne, but the whole car ended up gaining about 50 lbs.

I understand the article as saying the entire car is 102 lbs lighter.  Curb weight on the current car is 3924lbs, so that would make it 3822 lbs and 550 hp and new super sticky tires.  I think this car will finally live up to it's potential.

[Xer0]

A step in the right direction but its still a heavy pig.  Thankfully most of the weight lose comes from were it will help most, the nose.  The '11 V6 Stang is still the one I'm most interested in.

[SVT666]

So a 120 lbs weight loss means the GT500 now weighs 3802 lbs.  That's 1 lbs lighter then a Ferrari 612.

[Raza]

So a 120 lbs weight loss means the GT500 now weighs 3802 lbs.  That's 1 lbs lighter then a Ferrari 612.

Not the best benchmark.  Ferraris are generally fat pigs these days.

Well, all these kinds of cars are these days, so it's nigh useless to complain.

[68_427]

Listen up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oloDe93LRK0&feature=player_embedded

Some parts of the rev range sound like farts in a bath tub.

[SVT666]

Not the best benchmark.  Ferraris are generally fat pigs these days.

Well, all these kinds of cars are these days, so it's nigh useless to complain.

The 458 weighs only 3000 lbs, but otherwise you're right.  The next lightest is the California at 3600 lbs.

[CALL_911]

Raza:  Hang in there, RazDude--the 2014 Mustang GT is expected to lose a further 300 lbs over the 2011 Mustang GT (3603 lbs), making it conceivable that the 2014 GT500 will lose a further 300 lbs, too.  

To be fair, the 2014 Mustang GT will be smaller--more like the 1965 Mustang 2+2 in size but with a full fastback a la the Giugiaro Mustang concept of a coupla years ago.

Is it true that the 2020 Mustang GT will run on sunshine and lollipops?

[SVT666]

Is it true that the 2020 Mustang GT will run on sunshine and lollipops?

Nope.  Not true at all.  Puppies and kittens.  They're going for "badass" next time around.

[CALL_911]

Nope.  Not true at all.  Puppies and kittens.  They're going for "badass" next time around.

Ah, okay. Gotcha.

[Raza]

Raza:  Hang in there, RazDude--the 2014 Mustang GT is expected to lose a further 300 lbs over the 2011 Mustang GT (3603 lbs), making it conceivable that the 2014 GT500 will lose a further 300 lbs, too.  

To be fair, the 2014 Mustang GT will be smaller--more like the 1965 Mustang 2+2 in size but with a full fastback a la the Giugiaro Mustang concept of a coupla years ago.

Hopefully it'll look better by then!

[r0tor]

Raza:  Hang in there, RazDude--the 2014 Mustang GT is expected to lose a further 300 lbs over the 2011 Mustang GT (3603 lbs), making it conceivable that the 2014 GT500 will lose a further 300 lbs, too. 

To be fair, the 2014 Mustang GT will be smaller--more like the 1965 Mustang 2+2 in size but with a full fastback a la the Giugiaro Mustang concept of a coupla years ago.

meh, i'm still waiting for the "oh the S95 wiil be a lightweight M3 fighter with IRS and SMG" rumours to come true

[Catman]

Ford Recalls 2010 Mustang For Being Too Cool

February 16, 2010 | Issue 46?07

DETROIT?-Ford officials issued a massive recall of the entire 2010 Mustang line Tuesday, apologizing for a quality-control oversight that led to the company manufacturing a badass muscle car that was way too awesome for the American public. "We deeply regret this lapse in judgment and accept full responsibility for the mistake," Ford CEO Alan R. Mulally said standing beside a gorgeous, cherry-red vehicle recalled for being "way too smoking." "After numerous road tests, we've found the car to be a mean, mean ride that Americans are simply not cool enough to handle, and it would be irresponsible of us to allow anyone to get behind the wheel of this killer car. It's truly frightening how sweet the Mustang is." According to Mulally, Ford has canceled production on the 2011 Mustang, and will instead release a line of fuel-efficient vehicles in an effort to appeal to boring old Americans.

[MX793]

Hot Rod Magazine's April, 2010 issue has an article entitled "Return of the 5.0L" on pages 76 thru 82 which has fewer specifics than the superb nineteen-paged article on this engine in the March, 2010 of 5.0 Mustang.

But there are some insights not found in the 5.0 Mustang article:

The engine weighs 430 pounds

The crankshaft-direct-drive oil pump delivers more output than a NASCAR dry-sump setup (one reason for the eight quart oil capacity)

The SAE has now certified the engine at 412 HP@6500 RPM (maintaining a volumetric efficiency of 100 percent at this RPM) and 390 lbs ft of torque@4250 RPM (maintaining a volumetric efficiency of 110 percent at this RPM), or 83.2 HP per liter. 

Cubic Feet per Minute (CFM) through the heads can be calculated via the formula CFM = (Cubic Inch Displacement (CID) X RPM X Volumetric Efficiency (VE)) divided by 3456 (a constant).  Calling 3456 "The Google Factor" is as good as anything, IMO .
VE at 6500 RPM is 100 percent and at 4250 RPM it is 110 percent.  CID is 302 (another constant for this engine in the equation).  You do the math .

3456 is the conversion factor to get cubic feet from cubic inches (1728 cubic inches per cubic foot) multiplied by 2 to address the fact that a 4-stroke engine burns only half its displacement per rotation.

[S204STi]

Wait just a second... 100%+ VE without a supercharger?  I call shens.  At least give us a non-fanboi source.

[S204STi]

Ford Recalls 2010 Mustang For Being Too Cool

February 16, 2010 | Issue 46?07

DETROIT?-Ford officials issued a massive recall of the entire 2010 Mustang line Tuesday, apologizing for a quality-control oversight that led to the company manufacturing a badass muscle car that was way too awesome for the American public. "We deeply regret this lapse in judgment and accept full responsibility for the mistake," Ford CEO Alan R. Mulally said standing beside a gorgeous, cherry-red vehicle recalled for being "way too smoking." "After numerous road tests, we've found the car to be a mean, mean ride that Americans are simply not cool enough to handle, and it would be irresponsible of us to allow anyone to get behind the wheel of this killer car. It's truly frightening how sweet the Mustang is." According to Mulally, Ford has canceled production on the 2011 Mustang, and will instead release a line of fuel-efficient vehicles in an effort to appeal to boring old Americans.

lol, that's pretty good.

[CJ]

Wait just a second... 100%+ VE without a supercharger?  I call shens.  At least give us a non-fanboi source.

Have you seen my phone?  I need to call bullshit.

[S204STi]

Hmm, a quick wiki indicates that it is indeed possible.  I'd still like to see a source.

[MX793]

Wait just a second... 100%+ VE without a supercharger?  I call shens.  At least give us a non-fanboi source.

It's certainly possible with correct porting and intake runner length to exceed 100% VE at certain RPMs without forced induction.  IIRC, there was some guy who managed 137% VE out of a naturally aspirated Honda Civic motor by way of fine tuning the porting.

[Catman]

lol, that's pretty good.

Onion News Network

[Sigma Projects]

either way, looking to see the new 302 in action, I think many fans have been waiting for the revival of the 5.0.

[S204STi]

It's certainly possible with correct porting and intake runner length to exceed 100% VE at certain RPMs without forced induction.  IIRC, there was some guy who managed 137% VE out of a naturally aspirated Honda Civic motor by way of fine tuning the porting.

Nice!

[Sigma Projects]

There's worthwhile power to be made with the variable-length intake runner manifolds, and Ford might include them on the next Bullitts, Mach 1s, or street Boss 302s--not my decision to make, unfortunately.

I remember when I saw them on even on older Maximas, love them.

[MX793]

I remember when I saw them on even on older Maximas, love them.

Variable length intakes are still around.  My car has a variable length intake, and it's not even a particularly high performance motor.

[Sigma Projects]

oh I know, it's just the VQ30 was my first experience with variable intake manifolds and thought it was a great idea.

[SVT666]

More heady stuff:

For those who were challenged by the CFM computation, the heads are flowing 408 CFM at 4250 RPM, the RPM at which the max torque output of 390 lbs ft occurs.  And they are flowing 568 CFM at 6500, the RPM at which the max horsepower of 412 HP occurs.  

They say this is 4 percent better than the flow volumes of the Ford GT's engine,
but all those Ford GT 5.4L quadcammers were supercharged--and apparently somewhat underachieving since those with supercharger capacity savvy say the "ideal" supercharger for the Ford GT would be a supercharger with 25 percent more volume capacity than the capacities of the Eatons on the Ford GTs since those heads can swallow 25 percent more boosted air at any given pressure than the Eatons are capable of providing.  Is this an apples-to-apples comparison since the Ford GT heads (and later, the GT500 heads) were designed for boost from the gitgo?    But WTF--it'll likely resolve itself on the new GT350s which use a supercharged version of the Ti-VCT (some say "TiVCT") 5.0L V8.  Whatever may be the case on those Ford GT Eatons, Ford likely didn't choke the new 5.0L since that 17-inches-long-runners-with-generous-plenum intake manifold on the new 5.0L is a whopping 10-liter affair  The new 5.0L's volumetric efficiency is over 100 percent from 3750 RPM to 6500 RPM, and that is effin' GOOD!

The Ford GT has been boosted to 800+ hp by several tuners and not one of them could find anything in the engine to replace with stronger parts.  I remember reading an article about Heffner Performance who installed twin turbos on it.  But before they did, they took the engine apart to installed stronger pistons, connecting rods, crank, etc, but ended up putting it all back together without changing a thing.  They're running 800 hp.

[Cobra93]

 

[r0tor]

christ.... who would have thunk they day would come when mustang loyalists would be bragging about V-Tak  

...is this one of the warnings of a cougspacalypse?

[93JC]

You cock.

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