2011 Mustang GT 5.0

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

It would be pointless to wait for a Camaro convertible, because by the time that comes out, I'd have saved up enough money for a Bimmer.

Tell me about it!

[SVT666]

just read a C/D short-take review on the Mustang 5.0 convertible. Disappointing amount of chassis flex just like every Mustang convertible that preceded it. Damn.

That's the problem with 90% of the convertibles out there.

[Vinsanity]

That's the problem with 90% of the convertibles out there.

It's a bigger problem with 4-seaters than 2-seaters. The s2k was pretty damn stiff for an open-top car, but the only 4-seater droptop I found acceptable are the BMW's.

For C/D's as-tested price on their Stang, I'd almost go straight for the G37C if it didn't have the same problem.

[Raza]

That's the problem with 90% of the convertibles out there.

And yet, I'd put up with it, since nothing rivals the convertible driving experience (to me, anyway).

[Vinsanity]

Thankfully, I can still enjoy a mellifluous V8 with the roof down on a sturdy vehicle for under $40k:


http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=c&car_id=282277366

IIRC, CLK's have a little more quiver than a 3-series or SL, but nothing unacceptable for its price.

[SVT666]

The S2000 was purpose built as a vert, so that's not a good example.

[BimmerM3]

And yet, I'd put up with it, since nothing rivals the convertible driving experience (to me, anyway).

+1. Top-down driving is, by far, the best way to do it. I can't wait for the day I buy one.

[hotrodalex]

Aren't the 2005+ Mustangs supposed to have really stiff chassis?Interesting that the convertibles don't carry that over.

[SVT666]

Aren't the 2005+ Mustangs supposed to have really stiff chassis?Interesting that the convertibles don't carry that over.

You lose a lot of structural integrity when you cut the roof off a car that wasn't designed as a convertible.

[hotrodalex]

You lose a lot of structural integrity when you cut the roof off a car that wasn't designed as a convertible.

Seems like it would carry over a little, at least compared to other convertibles. But apparently not.

[MX793]

Seems like it would carry over a little, at least compared to other convertibles. But apparently not.

The roof is a huge source of stiffness.  Lambo has to add loads of extra structure to the Gallardo when they chop the top off, and it still isn't nearly as stiff as the coupe.

[hotrodalex]

The roof is a huge source of stiffness.  Lambo has to add loads of extra structure to the Gallardo when they chop the top off, and it still isn't nearly as stiff as the coupe.

I know. I'm saying common sense would say stiff coupe = comparatively stiff convertible. As in, compared to other convertibles.

[68_427]

The roof is a huge source of stiffness.  Lambo has to add loads of extra structure to the Gallardo when they chop the top off, and it still isn't nearly as stiff as the coupe.

And I doubt any owners care.  I know I wouldn't.  Hearing the sound that car makes.... I would buy one if the chassis was made of pudding.

[Onslaught]

This mustang convert isn't that bad. Try one from the 80's or early 90's. If it was on a hill you couldn't open the doors. I'm not kidding either.
And they must have needed to add weight to the front for some reason. I had just started doing bodywork at the time and took the front
fenders off one and the factory had but big, heavy ass metal bars on the aprons. The only thing they could have been was to even something
out.

Man, Ford sucked back then.

[SVT666]

This mustang convert isn't that bad. Try one from the 80's or early 90's. If it was on a hill you couldn't open the doors. I'm not kidding either.
And they must have needed to add weight to the front for some reason. I had just started doing bodywork at the time and took the front
fenders off one and the factory had but big, heavy ass metal bars on the aprons. The only thing they could have been was to even something
out.

Man, Ford sucked back then.

The coupes aren't much better from back then.  You can see drag racing videos on YouTube where Fox body Stangs are twisting quite dramatically on launch.  The chassis upgrades for the Fox body Stangs is quite extensive too.  You could easily add 200 lbs in subframe connectors and shit.

[mzziaz]

The Fox bodies are bad?

I kind of want a '79 302 

[MX793]

The Fox bodies are bad?

I kind of want a '79 302 

They were OK in their day, but that's not saying much.

[Cobra93]

Let the waiting begin...I ordered mine today. 

[SVT666]

Let the waiting begin...I ordered mine today. 

Fuck Yeah!!!!  StangSPIN here we come.

[SVT666]

How did you order it?  What options?  Colour? Etc?

[Cobra93]

How did you order it?  What options?  Colour? Etc?

[SVT666]

Nice.  I priced one out on the US Ford site yesterday and it came $34,900 +/-.  I'm so fucking jealous right now.  ARGH!

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

NICE!

[SVT666]

I just priced out a Mustang GT exactly as I would want it from the factory if I were ordering it today:

2011 Mustang GT
400A Package
6 spd Manual
Kona Blue Exterior
Saddle Leather Interior
Brembo Brake Package   $1,695
3.73 Rearend   $395
Security Package   $395
HID Headlights   $525
Comfort Package   $595

Accessories
Decklid Trim Panel   $225
GT500 Rear Fascia Diffuser   $150
GT Front Lower Fascia   $250

$37,925


Same car on the Canadian Ford website is $43,099.

[Nethead]

www.autoweek.com pulls no punches in its latest roadtests of a 2011 Mustang GT convertible, and also compares it to a 2011 Mustang GT coupe--although the article splits about 80/20 convertible over coupe.  They let the automatic transmissioned convertible have it!   The most enjoyable part of this article is John Neff's "Second Opinion" at the bottom of the article.

Review: 2011 Ford Mustang GT Coupe and Convertible
by Dan Roth (RSS feed) on Sep 21st 2010 at 11:57 AM

Forty-six Years Of Refinement Make It The Pony Car To Beat

Potentially ruinous. All that work on an impressive new 5.0-liter V8 engine, chassis tweaks and other piecemeal refinements for the 2011 Ford Mustang GT are almost all for naught because of a single glaring issue. What could erase all the gains the Mustang has made for 2011? The answer is nestled between the front seats, and it goes by the name 6R80.

Despite the promise that a smooth-shifting six-speed automatic transmission carries, not to mention the associated fuel economy, the auto 'box blunts the Mustang's edge severely. Can the new 5.0-liter V8 and wind in your hair make up for the dulling effect of the Mustang GT Convertible's transmission?

The 2011 Mustang wears year-old styling that still looks up-to-the-minute fresh. Of course, there are retro cues in the sheetmetal, but the changes to the Mustang's looks for 2010 deftly separate the newest Mustangs from the 2005-2009 cars. Surfaces are far more sculpted and much more playful with light, and the front-end styling brings a lot of the Shelby GT500 to the everyman's Mustang. The $34,645 entry point for a V8-powered Mustang convertible is attainable, and the GT Premium Convertible carries SYNC as standard equipment, as well as the Shaker 500 audio system (both options on lower trims), along with interior ambient lighting. The gauges in the GT Premium also get into the chameleon routine with MyColor, and trim detailing dresses up the Premium's interior with chrome accents and a glossy center stack finish.

With the arrival of the new V8, "5.0" badges make a return to the Mustang's flanks after an 18-year absence. The folding soft top on the convertible saves weight and only consumes 3.8 cu. ft. of trunk space, though it does add some buggy-whip anachronism to the Mustang's otherwise slick profile. Mustang GTs are also quickly identifiable by their grille-mounted foglamps and 18-inch wheels that fit snugly under the boldly flared wheelarches. Awkwardness does creep in around the tapered rear corners, but ponycars are bold, and the 2011 Mustang is no wallflower.

Fine assembly quality is on display both inside and out. Panel gaps are close enough to pass muster in the luxury world, and even without its roof, the Mustang Convertible feels tight, though there is cowl shake on some surfaces and distinctly less body rigidity than the coupe. The interior is much improved over the previous generation, though it won't be winning any awards for opulence. The cabin is on par with its Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger competition. The dashboard is made of low-gloss, soft-touch material that presents well and the leather upholstered seats in the GT Premium Convertible we drove are comfortable, if under-bolstered.

Sadly, door panels are cheap-feeling hard plastic and make elbows ache. A power lower cushion and manual backrest adjustment may save weight, but it's annoying in practice and gives the impression of cost-cutting more than any nod to trimming a few pounds. Taken in context with the rest of its class, however, the Mustang's interior is well-imagined and functionally excellent. The power-operated convertible top has a rigid front panel that makes it less necessary to wrestle with the tonneau cover, and weather sealing is good. Predictably, noise is up over coupe versions; good in that you can hear the burble of the 5.0 more, bad in that there's more wind noise at highway speeds. It's nothing that the Shaker 500 audio system can't overcome, if it's tinnitus you seek.

The retro-themed interior, with its patterned-metal inlay, chrome-ringed electroluminescent gauges sporting a retro narrow font and running-horse emblems will please baby boomers looking to recapture their senior year of high school. Modern details hide inside, too. Ford's Sync system is a star in everything, and illuminated door pulls, sill plates and footwells are a nice touch ? in switchable colors, no less. The Rapid Spec 401A Premier Trim and Color Accent Package was tossed in on our test car, a $395 charge that adds colored trim to the seats, stitching and Pony badges on the door panels and a darker finish on the instrument panel.

The real news is the 5.0 liter V8 that makes its debut in the 2011 Mustang GT. Dubbed the Coyote during development, the dual overhead cam engine independently varies the timing of intake and exhaust events with a system Ford calls Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing (Ti-VCT.) Tubular exhaust headers and a classic "Powered by Ford" legend on the valve covers are outward signals of performance. Inside the aluminum engine block, jets of oil keep the pistons cool, main bearing caps are cross-bolted for rigidity and a baffled oil pan shrugs off repeated hi-g cornering. Ford knows it's built a killer affordable performance car that can mop the floor with most vehicles it encounters, and has endowed it with an engine that can stand up to racing right off the showroom floor.

From behind the wheel, it's immediately evident that the Mustang GT Convertible is no parade float, even with the automatic. The engine's 11.0:1 compression ratio realizes its full potential on premium fuel, resulting in 412 horsepower and 390 pound-feet of torque. Horsepower drops off to 402 on regular fuel, while torque takes a greater hit, falling to 377 lb-ft. Truth be told, the automatic transmission is okay once you get used to it. There's a delay for kickdown, as in most modern automatics, but shift quality is good and it gets itself into locked-up overdrive as soon as possible, resulting in EPA fuel economy estimates of 17 mpg city and 26 mpg highway.

There is no manual shift gate, sport mode or paddles on the non-telescoping steering wheel. You're faced with the very same shifting options as your grandmother's Crown Victoria: PRND321. It's frustrating. Of all the cars in Ford's lineup, the Mustang should be first in line when doling out the sporty shift programs. The V8 with automatic is perfectly happy to swallow interstate miles or drag race tarmac, but when the road turns twisty, it's a dud thanks to the recalcitrant transmission.

It's a shame that the automatic cuts into enjoyment, because the rest of the 2011 Mustang is so fully realized. The engine is responsive, throaty and strong; it's a trifle to blow the car sideways by pulling into traffic over-zealously. There's low-end torque and plentiful high-rpm power. The 245/45 Pirelli P Zero Nero tires on 19-inch wheels that our tester wore can only resist the wave of muscle from the engine so much, though the Mustang is easy to bring back under control once it breaks traction.

There's finally satisfying mojo under the hood of a Mustang that can keep up with the excellent V8 engines in the Camaro and Challenger. The new 5.0 is the last piece of the puzzle to Mustang dominance in the segment, too. It's still significantly lighter than its two main rivals, and moreover, it feels lighter on its feet. Live axle or not, this is one great-handling car. Ford's electric power steering system can do impressive things like compensate for crown in the road or unevenly worn tires, but it's also slightly on the numb side. The roofless structure is relatively solid, with only some occasional cowl shake. Load up those 19-inchers in a tight corner and the Mustang Convertible doesn't feel like a clockspring winding up; that's good.

For a $37,845 base price, our 2011 Mustang GT Premium Convertible was not only very well equipped, as it should be, but very capable. And most drivers will likely see the automatic transmission as an asset, rather than the detriment to driving enjoyment we found it to be. In our experience, the live rear axle simply isn't an issue, despite the constant drone of the naysayers. The Mustang rides and performs impressively, with tightly controlled chassis motions and predictable handling. It's a better-rounded package than either of its neo-ponycar colleagues, and it's the only convertible in town, at least until the drop-top Camaro arrives next year.

In addition to being at the head of its own class, the 2011 Mustang GT Convertible is also a scrappy athlete that can mix it up with much more expensive and snooty hardware. In that sense, it's a repeat of what's always been great about Detroit performance cars ? just try and find a better deal on a new car that performs this well. Even with the wrong transmission

Second Opinion: 2011 Ford Mustang GT Premium
by John Neff

I'm not a convertible guy. Aside from the extra weight and platform compromising characteristics of a drop-top, I just don't like sharing my stereo with the rest of the neighborhood. I'll also take a manual transmission over an automatic any day, so I thank the car gods that the 2011 Ford Mustang GT delivered to me wasn't the same one Mr. Roth reviewed. Mine was the coupe with the six-speed MT82 transmission, sprayed in evocative Grabber Blue and commanding a less-expensive base price than the convertible at $32,845 (all Mustangs carry an additional $850 in destination charges, as well).

In the case of the 2011 Ford Mustang GT, if you're interested in things like performance, handling and price more than whether or not your not cranium can get a tan, go for the coupe. Comparing manual-equipped models of both, the Mustang GT coupe is 118 pounds lighter than the automatic and $5,000 less expensive. There's not much left to consider unless you plan to drive your Mustang GT in a parade every weekend.

As for Dan's distaste of the Mustang GT's automatic transmission, I'll agree that saddling any modern day muscle car with an automatic transmission is a disappointment from the get-go, especially when said slushbox comes with no manual shifting functions. The 'Stang's six-speed manual is the transmission you want if you're going for the full muscle car effect; accept no substitutes.

Whereas the six-speed automatic effectively corrals the new 5.0-liter V8, the six-speed manual lets those ponies run free, fuel economy be damned. The shifter action is nice and deliberate if a little notchy, but definitely not sloppy. The stick itself is also very short, which makes throws quick and easy unless you've got a beverage in the center console's cup holders. Best to avoid bottles of any kind, which are tall enough to get right in the way of your arm's motion when shifting gears.

The new 5.0-liter V8 is a gem of an engine and plays perfectly with the manual transmission. Perhaps its most surprising characteristic is that it delivers power everywhere, even high in the rev range before it tops out a redline just shy of 7,000 rpm. That makes the new 5.0 more than just what its peak power numbers of 412 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 390 pound-feet of torque at 4,250 suggest, since its broad powerband is working hard for you at every rpm. Of course, that's to say nothing of the engine's aesthetic qualities, a feature so often forgotten these days under the many plastic shrouds that commonly obscure an engine's actual shape. The Mustang GT bucks this, showing off its tubular exhaust headers like a body builder's bicep peeking out from the sleeve of his muscle shirt.

Fortune had it that I also drove a 2010 Dodge Challenger SRT8 a couple weeks prior to the Mustang GT, and a comparison between either the Challenger or this car's other obvious competitor, the Chevrolet Camaro, brings into sharp relief what Ford is doing with the Mustang. Its cross-town rivals are less focused on bringing a balanced performance car to the party than creating an experience. At its most basic level, the feeling of driving a modern day muscle car requires retro styling and a big, powerful engine. Both the Challenger and Camaro offer this, though each takes their own tack at what "retro styling" means.

The Mustang, however, hasn't taken a break in 46 years, and so doesn't need to convince anyone that it shares a direct link with the cars from the late '60s and early '70s that defined this class. Instead, the latest generation Mustang nearly evolves the car right out of the muscle segment. It is a high-performance car on every level, perhaps evidenced best by what it's being compared with other than the Challenger and Camaro. We ourselves pitted the new 2011 Mustang V6 against the Nissan 370Z and Hyundai Genesis Coupe, while Motor Trend put up this same GT model against the BMW M3. Let me repeat: the BMW M3. And the Mustang GT almost won, which is a victory itself.

All this is to say that the 2011 Ford Mustang GT is laser-focused on being the best all-around performance value on the market, not just the best reinterpretation of what it means to be a muscle car in 2010. If you just want to look good in a Mustang, get the automatic-equipped convertible model reviewed above and idle along on Woodward Avenue to your heart's content. If you want Challengers and Camaros in your rearview mirror while nipping at the back bumper of an M3, get this model.

[Nethead]

From the November 2010 issue of Consumer Reports, pages 60-62, comes their test of the 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 coupe & convertible!  To say they like this coupe is quite the understatement--the convertible, not so much.

Both are Recommended selections, the coupe in the "Sports Cars" category and the convertible in the "4-Seat Convertibles" category. The coupe is the only vehicle to get five out of six Excellents in the performance categories when they compared the Mustang GT and the Mustang GT convertible to three vehicles in the "Luxury Sedans" article also in the November issue (the Infiniti M37, the Hyundai Genesis V8, and the BMW 535i).  Does this mean they're moving Mustangs up in the world?   The Mustang GT coupe scored five Very Goods and four Goods in all the other categorys except for a Fair in Trunk and a Poor in Rear-Seat Comfort.

Certain accolades were awarded in the vehicle class of "Sports Cars"--which included the BMW 135i at $37,650; the Subaru Impreza WRX STi at $37,640; the Mazda RX-8 at $31,305; the Volkswagen GTI (4-door) at $27,504; the Subaru Impreza WRX at $26,088; the Mustang GT Premium 5.0 at $36,310; the Misti Bushi Lancer Evolution GSR at $38,078; the Mustang Premium (V6) at $28,680; the Camaro 2SS (V8) at $35,425; the Hyundai Genesis Coupe Grand Touring (V6) at $28,195; the Camaro 2LT (V6) at $28,195; and the Dodge Challenger R/T (V8) at $36,600, in that order.  "For acceleration and agile handling" had one recommendation: the Mustang GT Premium 5.0.  "For an agile convertible" had one recommendation: the Mustang GT Premium convertible.  The two Mustangs were the only vehicles to achieve a Safety rating of Very Good.

"The Mustang GT is fast and agile and tackles corners and straightaways with equal ability.  A decent ride and comfortable front seats make it livable.  The V8 engine is powerful, sounds great, and gets decent fuel economy...In either form (coupe or convertible), and with either the manual or automatic transmission, the GT is an enjoyable muscle car...Quick, well-weighted steering does a good job at conveying road feel, but recent tweaks have diminished feedback a little...The coupe turned in an impressive speed in our track-handling trials.  The convertible was less capable, but drivers felt confident at the wheel.  The well-calibrated stability control intervenes appropriately for both.  The 402-hp, 5.0-liter V8 engine delivers excellent performance.  With premium fuel, that horsepower number bumps up to 412.  The coupe, with a six-speed manual transmission, got an impressive 22 mpg overall on regular fuel (only Consumer Reports would roadtest a musclecar on regular ); the automatic convertible topped it by 1 mpg.  The manual transmission in the coupe has ratios well matched to the engine, short throws, and a sporty feel.  Our convertible came with a six-speed automatic, which only slightly detracts from the high-performance feel.  Stopping distances were short overall, with a firm, easy to modulate pedal...We expect above-average reliability for the V8 Mustangs.
Highs: Acceleration, handling, braking, exhaust sound, relatively good fuel economy
Lows: Tight rear seat, small trunk opening, awkward top operation (convertible), no telescoping steering wheel"

[SVT666]

SHELBY ADDS $750, 624-HORSE "R" TUNE TO GT350 LINEUP
By Andrew Ganz

If the 525-horsepower supercharged Shelby GT350 isn't quite enough for you, the Las Vegas-based performance tuner will now offer a 624-pony GT350 variant.

Topping the Shelby GT350 range, the "R" tune model (don't call it GT350R, although Shelby will neither confirm nor deny plans for such a model) boasts unique engine and supercharger tuning compared to the standard model. Shelby says all will be capable of running on standard pump gas. Both come with a Shelby/Ford Racing Whipple black finish supercharger and a host of suspension, styling and brake upgrades. All GT350s, whether supercharged or naturally aspirated, start with Ford's new 5.0-liter V8 plucked from the 2011 Ford Mustang GT coupe.

Shelby hasn't released many performance details on the GT350 with the "R" tune aside from the uprated horsepower figure, but the company's president says that the model is the "ultimate small block muscle car."
?The results show that the Shelby GT350 takes American performance to an entirely new level." said John Luft, president of Shelby American.

"In recent tests, the standard supercharged car hit 60 miles per hour in just 3.7 seconds and ran the quarter in 12 seconds flat at 121.4 mph, all while generating 1.05g of lateral acceleration and stopping from 60 mph in only 107 feet. We believe the "R" tuned GT350 will be even faster.?

Tweaks
All GT350s also come with a unique Shelby/Ford Racing suspension package, Shelby caster camber plate kit, upgraded Baer/ERADISPEED brakes, Cragar 19-inch alloy wheels, a Borla exhaust and a complete styling package. Like its siblings, the "R" tune will be registered in the ever-important Shelby Registry with its own unique VIN.

Shelby also announced today that it will offer all versions of the GT350 with either solid painted-on stripes (pictured) or GT350-labeled adhesive stripes (like on the preproduction GT350 Leftlane drove earlier this year). A new "Powered by Ford" badge will also be added to the front fender of all GT350s.

But perhaps the biggest surprise is the reasonable $750 price tag for the "R" tune on top of the $33,995 for the supercharged GT350 conversion (which doesn't include the purchase price of a 2011 Ford Mustang GT coupe).

[Nethead]

That's gotta be the cheapest 99 real horsepower ever offered!  Chevy uprated the V6 Camaro from 304 HP to 312 HP without doing ANYTHING to the Camaro or to its V6--which is the cheapest horsepower ever offered by anyone and is as real as the hoodscoop on a Camaro SS!

[hotrodalex]

HA! Sucks for anyone that got the 525 hp one.

[SVT666]

HA! Sucks for anyone that got the 525 hp one.

I don't know.  I'm willing to bet the 525 hp version is faster to 60 mph.