Why is our 2WD truck so high?!

[Rupert]

Hemi and I have been saying that for years. And in fact this is the very reason my dad's company no longer buys Chevy work trucks.

Yeah, the other group that has a big truck at work has a Dodge. I'm jealous.

[Rupert]

First of all, the notion that you need a truck for offroading is ludicrous.  I've done plenty of offroading and never once got stuck in a FWD Passat.  Per my experience, the ultimate offroad vehicle is the B5 Passat.

That is 100% irrefutable. 

My folks wrote a hiking book using a Buick LeSabre as the field rig.

[Rupert]

Having grown up in farming country, there was a time when a two wheel drive truck was it for going through muddy fields...AKA, off-road.   It really wasn't until the 1990's that everyone felt they had to have a 4wd to go off-road.   

Of course, those 2WD trucks all had big gnarly rear tires.

[Rupert]

 @ 4wd trolls, on a futile mission to somehow prove that two wheels provide so much more traction than two wheels, and that anyone who thinks that two wheels could possibly be as good as two wheels off road must be a troll, themselves. Omicron has the right idea, as usual.

Quit being an ass.

[Tave]

My folks wrote a hiking book using a Buick LeSabre as the field rig.

That's like saying, "I use my car to fly when I drive it to the airport."

[SVT666]

They must all think that way now. It looks like shit. But Chevy is the king of massive gaps.

Chevy seems to be the only offender.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Quit being an ass.

I point out a fun fact, which is nearly a certain fact for anyone with an unbiased, open mind and any experience, but nobody says, "hey, interesting point" or "yeah, most of the capability of a 4x4, but without the extra complexity and weight". Instead, I get raped by an army of 4x4 trolls. Who's the ass?

[Rupert]

That's like saying, "I use my car to fly when I drive it to the airport."

Ha, well, shit, you've got to get up those windy, poorly maintained gravel and dirt roads, somehow!

To expand on the topic, I guess, in some places you can get anywhere you probably want to go with a 2WD sedan (such as the OR and WA Cascades), but in others you are going to have a hard time without a high-clearance rig (ID) or 4WD (ID in the winter). There is the additional point, at least for those of us in the western U.S., that National Forest roads have gotten much worse, and continue to do so, so that a road that a passenger car could travel in 1990 might now be passable only to high clearance rigs.

[Rupert]

Chevy seems to be the only offender.

Exactly. W.T.F?

[Rupert]

I point out a fun fact, which is nearly a certain fact for anyone with an unbiased, open mind and any experience, but nobody says, "hey, interesting point" or "yeah, most of the capability of a 4x4, but without the extra complexity and weight". Instead, I get raped by an army of 4x4 trolls. Who's the ass?

Except that it doesn't have most of the capability of a 4WD. I've given examples of where the 4WD wins, and I gave the only example I could think of where the locked 2WD would be better. Your ice on one side of the road example is OK, except that, how often is only one side of a road icy for its entire length?

Anyway, chill, dawg.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Except that it doesn't have most of the capability of a 4WD. I've given examples of where the 4WD wins, and I gave the only example I could think of where the locked 2WD would be better. Your ice on one side of the road example is OK, except that, how often if only one side of a road icy for its entire length?

Anyway, chill, dawg.

I've had many-a-4x4, and a few different types of rear diffs, and for all around simplicity and capability, I'd have to pick a 2wd with limited slip. It is capable in capable hands, and with RWD, it is fun in a the back wants to be up front kind of way. For hardcore trails, no doubt I would prefer to have a 4x4, and with a locking rear end. Dawg.
 

[Tave]

Yeah, but you live in Maine. The highest.....hill.....there is only 5,000 ft.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Yeah, but you live in Maine. The highest.....hill.....there is only 5,000 ft.

5,267 

[280Z Turbo]

I've had many-a-4x4, and a few different types of rear diffs, and for all around simplicity and capability, I'd have to pick a 2wd with limited slip. It is capable in capable hands, and with RWD, it is fun in a the back wants to be up front kind of way. For hardcore trails, no doubt I would prefer to have a 4x4, and with a locking rear end. Dawg.
 

You idiot

How are you supposed to move when you're driving like this?



You need 4WD for that.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I will be able to make the Swift do that once I put the giant tires on.

[Rupert]

I've had many-a-4x4, and a few different types of rear diffs, and for all around simplicity and capability, I'd have to pick a 2wd with limited slip. It is capable in capable hands, and with RWD, it is fun in a the back wants to be up front kind of way. For hardcore trails, no doubt I would prefer to have a 4x4, and with a locking rear end. Dawg.
 

But then why do you have an expensive 4WD?

[Eye of the Tiger]

But then why do you have an expensive 4WD?

Fuck if I know

[Rupert]

Fuck if I know

Yeah, that's why I buy cars, too.

[Raza]

I kind of want a Nissan Frontier crew cab.  Cool looking trucks.

[SVT_Power]

I kind of want a Nissan Frontier crew cab.  Cool looking trucks.

You could get those in S/C form right?

[The Pirate]

You could get those in S/C form right?

Last generation, yes.  I believe Raza is talking about the current gen, which just comes with a giant, naturally aspirated VQ with more power than the supercharged motor

[SVT_Power]

Last generation, yes.  I believe Raza is talking about the current gen, which just comes with a giant, naturally aspirated VQ with more power than the supercharged motor

I didn't know Nissan still made the frontier

[SVT666]

I didn't know Nissan still made the frontier

2010 Nissan Frontier

[Raza]

Last generation, yes.  I believe Raza is talking about the current gen, which just comes with a giant, naturally aspirated VQ with more power than the supercharged motor

I am, and I didn't know either way.

Personally, if I ever bought a truck, I'd prefer a diesel over a gas engine anyway. 

[SVT_Power]

Oh I remember now. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've heard ANYTHING about a the frontier since it was overhauled in 05 or something?

[SVT_Power]

I am, and I didn't know either way.

Personally, if I ever bought a truck, I'd prefer a diesel over a gas engine anyway. 

Diesel trucks have a place in my heart. A tiny little spot, but how could they not with versions like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz2Oh_DGo7M&feature=arelated

[93JC]

I kind of want a Nissan Frontier crew cab.  Cool looking trucks.

[SVT666]

Diesel trucks have a place in my heart. A tiny little spot, but how could they not with versions like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz2Oh_DGo7M&feature=arelated

I hate those trucks with the exhaust stacks up through the box.  I also hate those trucks with the 6" exhaust that's so loud it's deafening.  It's not even a nice sound like a V8 rumble or the scream of a high strung V6.  It's a horrible sound.

[SVT_Power]

Mark if I said my parents were about to pick up a Grand Cherokee back when they got the explorer but they chose the explorer cuz I said the GC sucked, would you hate me? 

[SVT_Power]

I hate those trucks with the exhaust stacks up through the box.  I also hate those trucks with the 6" exhaust that's so loud it's deafening.  It's not even a nice sound like a V8 rumble or the scream of a high strung V6.  It's a horrible sound.

I'd definitely do side pipes under the running boards. As much as I don't want my own car fuming black smoke like that, I find it comical as hell.