My Review: 2010 Camaro SS

[sportyaccordy]

I think Accords are too large.

Actually I do too. My car could lose about 3" between the nose and tail.

Is the back seat very roomy? I just don't understand what all the extra metal is for. It's as long as (and as heavy as) an E39 5 series.

[MrH]

Actually I do too. My car could lose about 3" between the nose and tail.

Is the back seat very roomy? I just don't understand what all the extra metal is for. It's as long as (and as heavy as) an E39 5 series.

 

[SVT666]

Actually I do too. My car could lose about 3" between the nose and tail.

Is the back seat very roomy? I just don't understand what all the extra metal is for. It's as long as (and as heavy as) an E39 5 series.

You're a funny guy sporty.

[2o6]

Actually I do too. My car could lose about 3" between the nose and tail.

Is the back seat very roomy? I just don't understand what all the extra metal is for. It's as long as (and as heavy as) an E39 5 series.

Crash protection. Crumple space. So when you tap a pole at 2MPH it doesn't leave a nasty dent and cost $3000 to fix.

[ifcar]

Actually I do too. My car could lose about 3" between the nose and tail.

You know, Honda makes this car called the Civic...

[sportyaccordy]

Crash protection. Crumple space. So when you tap a pole at 2MPH it doesn't leave a nasty dent and cost $3000 to fix.

New bumpers are even more expensive to replace thanks to all the systems inside them. And with cars like the V8 M3 with roughly the same interior space and equally large engines/drivetrains but much smaller footprints + curb weights I just wonder what all the extra metal is for.

[SVT32V]

You know, Honda makes this car called the Civic...

Is a new civic 4dr actually smaller and/or lighter than sporty's accord?

[2o6]

Is a new civic 4dr actually smaller and/or lighter than sporty's accord?

Then buy a fit.

[sportyaccordy]

Is a new civic 4dr actually smaller and/or lighter than sporty's accord?

It's actually much smaller outside, but the same size in the cabin and trunk. Just as fast with the R18 and pretty quick with the K20. Only downside is the awful dash. I actually really like the new Civic.

[SVT32V]

It's actually much smaller outside, but the same size in the cabin and trunk. Just as fast with the R18 and pretty quick with the K20. Only downside is the awful dash. I actually really like the new Civic.

95 4dr accord Length (185.6 in), width (70.1 in), ht (55.1 in) weight (2855 lbs)
2010 4dr civiv L(177.3),W( 69.0), ht ( 56.5), weight (2760  lbs)

the new civic is quite a bit shorter, but is taller and nearly weighs the same.

The si should be a good bit faster, it is lighter and has more hp.

[SVT32V]

Then buy a fit.

nah, they burn themselves up 

not as bad as owning a toyota suddenly accelerating on its way moving forward but still.

[the Teuton]

If the current Civic weren't boring as hell (sans the Si), it would be a buy. It's a very good "small" car.

[ifcar]

If the current Civic weren't boring EXPENSIVEas hell (sans the Si), it would be a buy. It's a very good "small" car.

[the Teuton]

Truth: Iffy speaks it.

[2o6]

As much as I like the Civic's design, the duel a-piller seems a bit dumb. You get no more space, the dash top is really long, and the hood is small. Over half the engine is inaccessible.

[the Teuton]

As much as I like the Civic's design, the duel a-piller seems a bit dumb. You get no more space, the dash top is really long, and the hood is small. Over half the engine is inaccessible.

The car has excellent visibility, the gauges are incredibly easy to read, and most owners will never do anything more than change the oil or replace washer fluid anyway. What's your point?

[2o6]

The car has excellent visibility, the gauges are incredibly easy to read, and most owners will never do anything more than change the oil or replace washer fluid anyway. What's your point?

It looks hard to work on.



I'm not saying that everything be simple to use and easy to work on, but geesh.

[the Teuton]

It looks hard to work on.



I'm not saying that everything be simple to use and easy to work on, but geesh.

Yeah, the next Elantra will probably be a better car than this Civic. Honda's lineup is a little whack right now.

[sportyaccordy]

It looks hard to work on.



I'm not saying that everything be simple to use and easy to work on, but geesh.

Actually it's a pretty good design to work on. Better than my car actually.

Honda's change to putting the intake manifold in front was smart as hell. If I need to make idle set adjustments or anything I have to lean over the whole engine bay to get to it. Now Honda has everything intake manifold related right up front, and they can push the cabin/firewall a little further forward without making the car longer (hence the minivan nose and double A pillar). Given these constraints I think they came up with a pretty good design; however, I still think that digital speedo has to go. I read somewhere and agree with this: with analog gauges, once you have a feel for the scale of the gauge you don't need to stop and read it to see how fast you're going. With the numbers you always have to read it. Not a huge distraction but definitely an unnecessary one.

*EDIT* I was wrong about the Civic... all its competitors have similar lengths, smaller wheelbases and much larger cabins. Plus they are generally cheaper. Honda may want to go back to the drawing board with this one.

@ Toyota still using a FOUR SPEED AUTO in the Corolla. If they will buy crap keep making it

[2o6]

Actually it's a pretty good design to work on. Better than my car actually.

Honda's change to putting the intake manifold in front was smart as hell. If I need to make idle set adjustments or anything I have to lean over the whole engine bay to get to it. Now Honda has everything intake manifold related right up front, and they can push the cabin/firewall a little further forward without making the car longer (hence the minivan nose and double A pillar). Given these constraints I think they came up with a pretty good design; however, I still think that digital speedo has to go. I read somewhere and agree with this: with analog gauges, once you have a feel for the scale of the gauge you don't need to stop and read it to see how fast you're going. With the numbers you always have to read it. Not a huge distraction but definitely an unnecessary one.

*EDIT* I was wrong about the Civic... all its competitors have similar lengths, smaller wheelbases and much larger cabins. Plus they are generally cheaper. Honda may want to go back to the drawing board with this one.

@ Toyota still using a FOUR SPEED AUTO in the Corolla. If they will buy crap keep making it

To be fair, the Civic is one of the oldest cars in it's class.


And personally, I prefer digital speedos.

[the Teuton]

Actually it's a pretty good design to work on. Better than my car actually.

Honda's change to putting the intake manifold in front was smart as hell. If I need to make idle set adjustments or anything I have to lean over the whole engine bay to get to it. Now Honda has everything intake manifold related right up front, and they can push the cabin/firewall a little further forward without making the car longer (hence the minivan nose and double A pillar). Given these constraints I think they came up with a pretty good design; however, I still think that digital speedo has to go. I read somewhere and agree with this: with analog gauges, once you have a feel for the scale of the gauge you don't need to stop and read it to see how fast you're going. With the numbers you always have to read it. Not a huge distraction but definitely an unnecessary one.

*EDIT* I was wrong about the Civic... all its competitors have similar lengths, smaller wheelbases and much larger cabins. Plus they are generally cheaper. Honda may want to go back to the drawing board with this one.

@ Toyota still using a FOUR SPEED AUTO in the Corolla. If they will buy crap keep making it

The Civic feels larger inside than all but the Elantra. With the floor being flat, it's no contest.

[SVT666]

How did this thread turn into a conversation about the Civic?

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

 

[CALL_911]

How did this thread turn into a conversation about the Civic?

That's what I was thinking.

[the Teuton]

How did this thread turn into a conversation about the Civic?

The Civic is a better car than the Camaro.

[SVT666]

The Civic is a better car than the Camaro.

The Civic is a better appliance than the Camaro.  The Camaro has so much power that I can overlook some of the problems with it.  I can't overlook the sightlines though....no pun intended.  That much power with those horrid sightlines = disaster.

[the Teuton]

The Civic is a better appliance than the Camaro.  The Camaro has so much power that I can overlook some of the problems with it.  I can't overlook the sightlines though....no pun intended.  That much power with those horrid sightlines = disaster.

If you can't use a car, what good is the car?

Give me a 430 hp GTO, and then we'll talk. The only things that car had going against it were a 1990s design and bland styling.

[Rich]

The car has excellent visibility,

lol whatever.  The A pillars are so angled that you could lose a car behind it.  It's angled just like the old F-bodys and no one ever said they had good visibility

[ifcar]

The Civic feels larger inside than all but the Elantra.

And the Forte, Sentra, and Versa.

[2o6]

And the Forte, Sentra, and Versa.

I hate the Versa with a passion.