Thoughts on the Eos

[Vinsanity]

I don't know what's the pricing like, but G37c?

about $11k more than the Eos. Worth every penny if you ask me, though, but what can ya do if you don't have an extra $11k.

[CJ]

I'd at least drive the C70.  The 5-cylinder is an awesome engine, and it sounds fantastic.  Good power, easy to get more power if you want, and it looks very good with the top up and down.  The headlights are also very good, as are the seats.

[Raza]

The Eos seems to fill an interesting niche in that it's smaller than the mid/full size cabrios out there but just large enough to cram in a back seat for when it's needed. I don't like what I'm hearing about the ride being too soft, though. Granted, my Passat is a little bit softer than my old Saab but it's fine for me. Am I going to have to cringe taking a sharp turn in the Eos (like I would in a Sebring, for instance) or are we talking the fact that it's just a little bit softer than other VW offerings? I've actually never driven the present Jetta, so I'm not sure how it compares to the Passat - I assume it's a little bit more sportier in terms of handling since it's a smaller car.

The Passat is softer than your Saab?  I have a hard time believing that, honestly. 

The Jetta rides pretty well, but is firm.  I'm still going to get new springs and shocks though. 

[GoCougs]

Far, far, FAR too expensive IMO.

[CALL_911]

I can already foresee Cougs' midlife crisis:

[Raza]

Far, far, FAR too expensive IMO.

Well, I suppose he could hold his breath for an Accord convertible...

[CALL_911]

Well, I suppose he could hold his breath for an Accord convertible...

Beat you to it.

[Raza]

Beat you to it.

Poopies.

[GoCougs]

That actually made me LOL - but in all seriousness Honda has always made a better overall product than VW and if ever such a make believe car comes to fruition the legacy would continue unimpeded especially WRT to the mediocre and atrociously expensive Eos.

[Raza]

That actually made me LOL - but in all seriousness Honda has always made a better overall product than VW and if ever such a make believe car comes to fruition the legacy would continue unimpeded especially WRT to the mediocre and atrociously expensive Eos.

If you say so. 

[CALL_911]

That actually made me LOL - but in all seriousness Honda has always made a better overall product than VW and if ever such a make believe car comes to fruition the legacy would continue unimpeded especially WRT to the mediocre and atrociously expensive Eos.

Tell that to my dad, who has owned 2 Hondas (Acura TLs, '01 and '04) that have given him WAY more problems than the VWs (also known as an Audi A4s) have. He's had 2 TLs and both have been crappier than the A4s have.

Honda's going down the tubes, I don't think it's far behind Toyota.

[CALL_911]

Cougs, if Acura had any legitimacy as a luxury marque competitor, would it not pay some heed to the beckoning of cars such as the A5 cabriolet, E-Class cabriolet and E93 3er?

That and lets not forget its omission of a V8, RWD luxury sedan which Honda excuses with a remark of "already done." I suppose rehashed economy cars haven't been covered, then.

Out of Acura's whole lineup, I genuinely like the TSX and I think the MDX is competitive, but the rest of its lineup just reeks of incompetence.

EDIT: I guess my point may have been lost, as the post seems to be somewhat convoluted. Honda has not always made a better product than VW and I guess Acura vs. Audi is a good example.

[Tave]

What are you talking about?

[CALL_911]

What are you talking about?

More or less ranting about Cougs' assertion that Honda>VW.

[GoCougs]

The Accord Coupe EX V6 6MT is the best car in Honda's stable bar none, with its sole detriment IMO that the V6 is only available pretty much all loaded up ($30k+).

[CALL_911]

The Accord Coupe EX V6 6MT is the best car in Honda's stable bar none, with its sole detriment IMO that the V6 is only available pretty much all loaded up ($30k+).

I guess you forgot about the Civic Si?

[Raza]

The Accord Coupe EX V6 6MT is the best car in Honda's stable bar none, with its sole detriment IMO that the V6 is only available pretty much all loaded up ($30k+).

Having driven a 2004 Accord V6 and a later Civic Si, I'll gladly say that the Civic Si/Mugen is the best non-NSX car Honda has ever built.

[Tave]

I don't think I'd spring extra for the V6 Accord. I think the I4/5MT is the best combo.

[CALL_911]

I don't think I'd spring extra for the V6 Accord. I think the I4/5MT is the best combo.

I don't know, the V6 in the Accord is really nice.

Then again, I wouldn't be buying an Accord in the first place.

[BimmerM3]

Having driven a 2004 Accord V6 and a later Civic Si, I'll gladly say that the Civic Si/Mugen is the best non-NSX car Honda has ever built.

The best one I've driven was the S2000, but the EP3 Si was a damn good car. I haven't driven the current Si though.

[Raza]

The best one I've driven was the S2000, but the EP3 Si was a damn good car. I haven't driven the current Si though.

Poopies, I forgot about the S2000.

[CALL_911]

The CL9 TSX is also a good car. It's quite a bit of fun to drive, I can only imagine it being better with a 6MT.

That says, the NSX I drove, 

[TurboDan]

The Accord Coupe EX V6 6MT is the best car in Honda's stable bar none, with its sole detriment IMO that the V6 is only available pretty much all loaded up ($30k+).

It's sole detriment is that it's an amazingly boring car to drive.

[TurboDan]

The CL9 TSX is also a good car.

Agree 100 percent. Honda can make a decent, fun car. The Accord, while decent, is not fun. It's an appliance, and many people view cars as such. I never have, and probably never will.

Also, I really can't imagine anyone saying the Eos is too expensive. It's a cabrio with a retractable hardtop - that stuff doesn't come cheap. They can't lose money on the damn thing by selling it for peanuts.

[omicron]

You guys get a Focus convertible in Europe! This is news! I guess Ford wants us to buy the Mustang instead, but I'd be down for the Focus convertible.

Here, too. It looks marvellous from the front 3/4 angle:



But as usual with these metal-roof convertibles, the proportions are ridiculous:



As such, buy an XR5 Turbo:

[SVT666]

Having driven a 2004 Accord V6 and a later Civic Si, I'll gladly say that the Civic Si/Mugen is the best non-NSX car Honda has ever built.

Really?  My buddy has a pristine 2005 Civic SiR, and after he drove my SVT Focus he's been begging me to sell it to him.  He prefers the ride, the seats, the steering, the transmission, the engine, the sound, and the styling.  He prefers the Civics interior and cornering, but that's it.

[ifcar]

Really?  My buddy has a pristine 2005 Civic SiR, and after he drove my SVT Focus he's been begging me to sell it to him.  He prefers the ride, the seats, the steering, the transmission, the engine, the sound, and the styling.  He prefers the Civics interior and cornering, but that's it.

2005 is the previous generation, which was never very well-received.

[SVT666]

2005 is the previous generation, which was never very well-received.

Raza didn't specify the model year.  He just said "later".  Raza, please specify what model year you were speaking of.

[ifcar]

Raza didn't specify the model year.  He just said "later".  Raza, please specify what model year you were speaking of.

But based on the fact that he has posted write-ups of the current generation and that there is no 2005 Mugen, I think it's entirely safe to say he was talking about 2006 and up.

[NomisR]

Raza didn't specify the model year.  He just said "later".  Raza, please specify what model year you were speaking of.

Other than the most recent ones, the previous gen Civic Si were not that great, price wise/performance wise, you're better off getting an Integra/RSX.  Even the currently one is pretty similar to the last RSX Type S