More on Toyota. How to save your company $100, the heck with the customer

[GoCougs]

I've long been of the opinion that the typical Toyota buyer was after what they believed to be safe, reliable, thrifty transportation.  I think that's pretty much Consumer Reports criteria for a good car as well, hence the continuous high ratings.  I suspect the average buyer was about as enthused about buying a new car as they would be buying a new toaster.  Not buying soul, not buying fun, just wanting a transportation appliance.  This also explains why many on forums such as these don't particularly care for them.

Toyota's legacy for its small pickup and 4Runner are a perfect example of how rightfully so the company won the hearts and minds of millions of Americans, even if relatively few were buying them.

[MX793]

Toyota's legacy for its small pickup and 4Runner are a perfect example of how rightfully so the company won the hearts and minds of millions of Americans, even if relatively few were buying them.

You mean the legacy of vehicles turning to a pile of rusty powder after 10 years?

[GoCougs]

You mean the legacy of vehicles turning to a pile of rusty powder after 10 years?

And then the legacy of replacing those frames or even buying those trucks back at above market value only cements Toyota's legacy further. (But then again as we all now know Dana Corp., the frame supplier, botched the coating process.)

Try what you guys will, Toyota is still overall making the best product on the road today.

[Eye of the Tiger]

And then the legacy of replacing those frames or even buying those trucks back at above market value only cements Toyota's legacy further. (But then again as we all now know Dana Corp., the frame supplier, botched the coating process.)

Try what you guys will, Toyota is still overall making the best product on the road today.

And the best product that goes flying off the road uncontrollably with a stuck throttle and bad brakes today.

[2o6]

And then the legacy of replacing those frames or even buying those trucks back at above market value only cements Toyota's legacy further. (But then again as we all now know Dana Corp., the frame supplier, botched the coating process.)

Try what you guys will, Toyota is still overall making the best product on the road today.

Then why do you drive a Honda? 

[GoCougs]

And the best product that goes flying off the road uncontrollably with a stuck throttle and bad brakes today.

I think it's pretty much proven now the "unintended acceleration" is a redux of Audi 5000 "problem" of the '80s.

The brake problem adds centimeters to braking distance.

[MX793]

And then the legacy of replacing those frames or even buying those trucks back at above market value only cements Toyota's legacy further. (But then again as we all now know Dana Corp., the frame supplier, botched the coating process.)

Try what you guys will, Toyota is still overall making the best product on the road today.

I'm not talking about the recent frame rust issue.  Toyota trucks have long had a legacy of rusting away in short order in northern climates.  Even if the frames hold up, the bodies usually completely rusted away far sooner than most other brands.

[GoCougs]

Then why do you drive a Honda?  

I had a Tacoma for ~150k miles before the current Accord.

It came down between the Accord and the Camry SE V6 back in '05. Then the Camry 230 hp 3.3L V6 came only in the (loaded) Camry SE. I don't like leather and sunroof and didn't want to pay for it, and the base Camry 190 hp 3.0L V6 at the time just didn't cut it.

[GoCougs]

I'm not talking about the recent frame rust issue.  Toyota trucks have long had a legacy of rusting away in short order in northern climates.  Even if the frames hold up, the bodies usually completely rusted away far sooner than most other brands.

Can't really speak about; not an issue where I live. Either way I think it's hard to deny the legendary legacy of Toyota's small pickups. One many not agree with it, but it's there.

[SVT666]

There you have it.  Cougs is an unthusiast.  His final two cars to chose from were the Accord and the Camry. 

[Secret Chimp]

Our 10 year old Camry beats our 3 year old Accord hands down in almost every way except interior volume and acceleration.

It handles better? It has better steering feel?

Oh right, you like Volvos.

[SVT666]

I think it's pretty much proven now the "unintended acceleration" is a redux of Audi 5000 "problem" of the '80s.

I've been wrapped up in the Olympics for 10 days...when did this happen?

The brake problem adds centimeters to braking distance.

You know this how?

[Eye of the Tiger]

I think it's pretty much proven now the "unintended acceleration" is a redux of Audi 5000 "problem" of the '80s.

The brake problem adds centimeters to braking distance.

You are so full of shit. The problem with Toyotas is not exclusive to a 60-Minutes stunt, staged to "prove" one unlikely case.

[Raza]

And then the legacy of replacing those frames or even buying those trucks back at above market value only cements Toyota's legacy further. (But then again as we all now know Dana Corp., the frame supplier, botched the coating process.)

Try what you guys will, Toyota is still overall making the best product on the road today.

After recalling basically every vehicle they make for massive safety issues, you still think that?  I fear for everyone driving worse cars than Toyotas.  How are they still alive!?

[2o6]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/22/video-smoking-gun-abc-news-expert-recreates-sudden-acceleratio/



This doesn't prove anything. How exactly did he prove anything? He rigged it to go to WOT.

[CJ]

It shows what happens with the gas pedal, I'd assume.  There's a short that occurs and this happens.

[565]

It shows what happens with the gas pedal, I'd assume.  There's a short that occurs and this happens.

You could probably rewire any drive-by-wire system to produce acceleration.  That's kind of the definition of a drive-by-wire system, that the throttle is not directly linked and relies on electronics.  You could say if special conditions existed that perfectly recreated your rewire, it could happen,  but the same would be true for pretty much any car using drive-by-wire.

Anyway ABC seems to be barking up the wrong tree as Toyota's problem seems to be mechanical in nature.

[GoCougs]

There you have it.  Cougs is an unthusiast.  His final two cars to chose from were the Accord and the Camry.  

LOL - coming from a Focus/Freestyle/Sunbird x 2 engines buyer/recent owner...

[GoCougs]

After recalling basically every vehicle they make for massive safety issues, you still think that?  I fear for everyone driving worse cars than Toyotas.  How are they still alive!?

Um, safety issues being a floor mat and some BS shim...

Like I keep saying, nothing points to this more than likely being a witch hunt than the absolutely ridiculous floor mat "cause."

[Eye of the Tiger]

LOL - coming from a Focus/Freestyle/Sunbird x 2 engines buyer/recent owner...

I know I'd much rather have a Camry than an SVT Fucus. 

[Jon?]

Um, safety issues being a floor mat and some BS shim...

Like I keep saying, nothing points to this more than likely being a witch hunt than the absolutely ridiculous floor mat "cause."

It would appear the floormat issue was their attempt to come up with a low-cost fix for something they were still attempting to diagnose.  If some of the correspondence amongst their execs is any indication, it was their standard MO for dealing with issues.  Not a good thing.

[GoCougs]

You are so full of shit. The problem with Toyotas is not exclusive to a 60-Minutes stunt, staged to "prove" one unlikely case.

Yet no one anywhere has been shown to proven a thing.

[SVT666]

LOL - coming from a Focus/Freestyle/Sunbird x 2 engines buyer/recent owner...

My Focus will eat your Accord for breakfast on any two lane backroad.  My wife drove the Freestyle because we have 2 kids, wtf is your excuse?

[Eye of the Tiger]

Yet no one anywhere has been shown to proven a thing.

Your argument is invalid.

[GoCougs]

My Focus will eat your Accord for breakfast on any two lane backroad.  My wife drove the Freestyle because we have 2 kids, wtf is your excuse?

Save for something pretty tight and twisty I would own you just about everywhere else; on just about any track, on the open road, and on any acceleration measure whatsoever (LOL - like you were stuck in reverse) and be more reliable and comfortable doing it. And LOLets not forget recent Sunbird ownership.

My overall "excuse" is that you threw down once again and once again ran headlong into some ownage. I'd never criticize someone else's ride unless s/he explicitly needed it done, as you did.

[GoCougs]

Your argument is invalid.

Not really - no one has proven a thing. The invalid tangent about electrical interference is another a perfect example.

At best all we have, from anyone, is that "if this goes wrong this can cause the problem."

[TBR]

Save for something pretty tight and twisty I would own you just about everywhere else; on just about any track, on the open road, and on any acceleration measure whatsoever (LOL - like you were stuck in reverse) and be more reliable and comfortable doing it. And LOLets not forget recent Sunbird ownership.

My overall "excuse" is that you threw down once again and once again ran headlong into some ownage. I'd never criticize someone else's ride unless s/he explicitly needed it done, as you did.

Reading comprehension fail: he was asking what your excuse was for buying a boring ass family sedan when you have no family.

[CALL_911]

Save for something pretty tight and twisty I would own you just about everywhere else; on just about any track, on the open road, and on any acceleration measure whatsoever (LOL - like you were stuck in reverse) and be more reliable and comfortable doing it. And LOLets not forget recent Sunbird ownership.

My overall "excuse" is that you threw down once again and once again ran headlong into some ownage. I'd never criticize someone else's ride unless s/he explicitly needed it done, as you did.

You honestly think an Accord V6 could own an SVT Focus on a track?

What makes you think it's more reliable?

No offense, but his car looks a million times better than yours does. Yours is one of the ugliest Accords ever made, second to this current generation. His car is also more unique and less, well, dull.

[565]

Those are some fighting words from both Cougs and Hemi.  Here's what we need, the first official Carspin street race!



Seriously that would be awesome.

[SVT666]

Save for something pretty tight and twisty I would own you just about everywhere else; on just about any track, on the open road, and on any acceleration measure whatsoever (LOL - like you were stuck in reverse) and be more reliable and comfortable doing it. And LOLets not forget recent Sunbird ownership.

My overall "excuse" is that you threw down once again and once again ran headlong into some ownage. I'd never criticize someone else's ride unless s/he explicitly needed it done, as you did.

I've been owned?  News to me.