A Horsepower and Fuel Economy War??? Yes!!!

[FoMoJo]

as far as I remember, the Camaro has never been short on hp compared to the Mustang. at least for as long as I've been around.

That was a reference to Mopar when they were Ford's prime competitor in NASCAR as well as at the drag strips in the early days.

[SVT666]

I'm staying out of this because Cougs and Nethead are as bad as each other.  Cougs blindly hates everything Ford and Nethead blindly hates anything not Ford.  I'm nowhere near that bad.  So have her dudes.

[hotrodalex]

Nethead fails to see that the Camaro owned the Mustang last year. And the V6 still doesn't own the Camaro's. 1 HP and 2 MPG. Yeah, nowhere close to owning.

[SVT666]

Nethead fails to see that the Camaro owned the Mustang last year. And the V6 still doesn't own the Camaro's. 1 HP and 2 MPG. Yeah, nowhere close to owning.

You fail to see that the Mustang owned the Camaro in everything but acceleration.  The V6 weighs 350 lbs less then the Camaro V6, so yeah, it kinda does own it.

[FoMoJo]

Nah FoMoJo, Mopar fans ain't by default Ford haters; additionally Mopar has always built a better engine than Ford since the dawn of the V8 era beginning in the '50s. The coming debut of this 5.0 V8 is the first time that's ever been a question.

Mopar sat on the sidelines in sales and other factors but not because of engines. Mopar has always owned Ford when it came to putting power to the street; most notably in the '55 - '70 heyday courtesy of the 331-392 Hemi, 340/383/440 Magnum, 340/440 Six Pack, and of course, the 426 Hemi.

I don't dispute Mopar built some pretty good engines.  The old DeSoto Firedome was a great engine and contributed enormously to the horsepower wars back then.  As a matter of fact, it may well have inspired the engineers at Ford to launch the lengendary FE series for which the racing world owes so much homage, including the legendary "SOC" engine that had only a moment in the limelight before the curtains came down on that golden era.  The 426 Hemi, of course, survived as the standard dragster engine thanks to Keith Black.  It had the right combination of bore and stroke to create the level of torque most useful to blasting a rail down the quarter mile strip. 

Of course, most Ford guys knew that it was Mopar, not Chevy, that was the real competition on the NA tracks.  However, when they wanted to, they could always one-up them and put out monsters like the Ford 'Fairlane' Thunderbolt for the drag strip or Mercury Cyclones and Ford Torino Talladegas at NASCAR; before the officials deemed them unfair to the competition.  It's almost unfair that Mopar never did get the credit they deserved for always putting up such a good challenge to the Ford teams and most people still think that it was a Chevy vs. Ford battle.  I would have to say that, other than Trans Am, it was pretty much Ford vs. Mopar.  After '71 nobody really cared anymore.

[GoCougs]

Nethead fails to see that the Camaro owned the Mustang last year. And the V6 still doesn't own the Camaro's. 1 HP and 2 MPG. Yeah, nowhere close to owning.

You know the game's over when the cling to straw men (SVT666) or bragging about V6s (PsychoHead).

And this time the market as a whole has agreed.

[Jon?]

You know the game's over when the cling to straw men (SVT666) or bragging about V6s (PsychoHead).

What strawman?

[GoCougs]

I don't dispute Mopar built some pretty good engines.  The old DeSoto Firedome was a great engine and contributed enormously to the horsepower wars back then.  As a matter of fact, it may well have inspired the engineers at Ford to launch the lengendary FE series for which the racing world owes so much homage, including the legendary "SOC" engine that had only a moment in the limelight before the curtains came down on that golden era.  The 426 Hemi, of course, survived as the standard dragster engine thanks to Keith Black.  It had the right combination of bore and stroke to create the level of torque most useful to blasting a rail down the quarter mile strip. 

Of course, most Ford guys knew that it was Mopar, not Chevy, that was the real competition on the NA tracks.  However, when they wanted to, they could always one-up them and put out monsters like the Ford 'Fairlane' Thunderbolt for the drag strip or Mercury Cyclones and Ford Torino Talladegas at NASCAR; before the officials deemed them unfair to the competition.  It's almost unfair that Mopar never did get the credit they deserved for always putting up such a good challenge to the Ford teams and most people still think that it was a Chevy vs. Ford battle.  I would have to say that, other than Trans Am, it was pretty much Ford vs. Mopar.  After '71 nobody really cared anymore.

Yes, I agree on all that but the results of racing have little bearing on retail products, or of who "hates" who as you had asserted.

[S204STi]

It seems to me that we now have something like three or four active threads about Mustangs and/or their powerplants.  Why can't we keep this all in the, "Official Mustang Circle-Jerk Thread?"  I mean I like the cars and all but I'm sort of tired of hearing about it...

[SVT666]

What strawman?

Yeah. What strawman?

[SVT666]

It seems to me that we now have something like three or four active threads about Mustangs and/or their powerplants.  Why can't we keep this all in the, "Official Mustang Circle-Jerk Thread?"  I mean I like the cars and all but I'm sort of tired of hearing about it...

You don't have to click on the thread.  I mean, yes I agree with you about the number threads which is why I started the Official Mustang Thread, but some people keep making new ones.  This thread is about more then just the Mustang though.

[GoCougs]

What strawman?

Yeah. What strawman?

I'm sorry to say your punishment is my silence such that maybe it gives you enough pause to take stock and recognize your error so as to (maybe) not commit it again.

Or, maybe you'll get lucky and Tave will parachute and save you guys again.

[GoCougs]

It seems to me that we now have something like three or four active threads about Mustangs and/or their powerplants.  Why can't we keep this all in the, "Official Mustang Circle-Jerk Thread?"  I mean I like the cars and all but I'm sort of tired of hearing about it...

I dunno - perhaps the Innertards would've been saved a bit had the '10 Camaro been a sales disaster and/or been a gutless pig.

[Jon?]

I'm sorry to say your punishment is my silence such that maybe it gives you enough pause to take stock and recognize your error so as to (maybe) not commit it again.

Or, maybe you'll get lucky and Tave will parachute and save you guys again.

Translation: "I don't really understand what a strawman is."

Gotcha.

[S204STi]

You don't have to click on the thread.  I mean, yes I agree with you about the number threads which is why I started the Official Mustang Thread, but some people keep making new ones.  This thread is about more then just the Mustang though.

Actually, not to pick on your thread specifically, but the thread title says nothing to the effect that it's yet another camaro vs mustang thread, so yeah in the natural course of my time here I will have to click on the thread if I want to read what it's about.

Just sayin' dude.

[SVT666]

Actually, not to pick on your thread specifically, but the thread title says nothing to the effect that it's yet another camaro vs mustang thread, so yeah in the natural course of my time here I will have to click on the thread if I want to read what it's about.

Just sayin' dude.

Well, it's not a Camaro vs. Mustang thread anyway.  The opening post had two other articles in it as well.

[S204STi]

Yeah I guess you're right.  It just sort of devolved into another mustang/camaro pissing contest.

[SVT666]

I'm sorry to say your punishment is my silence such that maybe it gives you enough pause to take stock and recognize your error so as to (maybe) not commit it again.

Or, maybe you'll get lucky and Tave will parachute and save you guys again.

Translation:  "I'm an engineer and I know everything.  EVERYTHING!  Even if I don't know it, I know it.  Bow down to me."

Fuck off.

[SVT666]

Yeah I guess you're right.  It just sort of devolved into another mustang/camaro pissing contest.

Which I had relatively nothing to do with.  This was purely a Cougs and Nethead debacle. 


I just want to make that clear.

[S204STi]

Which I had relatively nothing to do with.  This was purely a Cougs and Nethead debacle. 


I just want to make that clear.

[Catman]

FOr the love of everything under the sun would you guys stop your juvenile bickering?

[GoCougs]

Translation:  "I'm an engineer and I know everything.  EVERYTHING!  Even if I don't know it, I know it.  Bow down to me."

Fuck off.

Don't do stupid stuff if you don't want to get called out, Mr. Straw Man Cometh.

Which I had relatively nothing to do with.  This was purely a Cougs and Nethead debacle. 

I just want to make that clear.

Sorry, the name calling and sheer ignorance are your sins alone.

[giant_mtb]

Choose wisely.

[GoCougs]

FOr the love of everything under the sun would you guys stop your juvenile bickering?

LOLz - oops.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

gotta-qik-z28: They're roadtesting production 2011 Mustangs and Mustang GTs (395 RWHP@6600 RPM on chassis dynos) right now, and the order banks for all 2011 Mustangs opened earlier this month--11,000 orders were already taken some weeks ago, doubtless many more by now. 

Have you gotten to test drive a new Camaro convertible?  No you haven't. 

Get smarter and get that C6:  The C6 is hardware, the Camaro convertible is promises.  And the C6 is vastly better hardware anyway.  You know that, I know that.  If and when there ever is a production Camaro convertible, you'll wonder why you ever, ever considered it over the C6 you've been driving in the meantime...

Lets not jump the gun on those Dyno numbers. I can't wait to see the numbers the Stang puts up. as far as the C6 goes I'm still on the fence. I really wish the Camaro SS didn't look indenticle to the V6 (with the optional wheels). I don't want a 25k Camaro looking just like a the SS I priced at 35k. 

[the Teuton]

Choose wisely.

[Raza]

Fuck me, man, I want all three.  Camaro RS for commuting, Mustang GT convertible for top down canyon carving, and a Challenger SRT8 for cruising and looking damn good. 

[Eye of the Tiger]

Fuck me, man, I want all three.  Camaro RS for commuting, Mustang GT convertible for top down canyon carving, and a Challenger SRT8 for cruising and looking damn good. 

Or a 'Vette for all three.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Or a 'Vette for all three.

[hotrodalex]

You fail to see that the Mustang owned the Camaro in everything but acceleration.  The V6 weighs 350 lbs less then the Camaro V6, so yeah, it kinda does own it.

I was talking purely engine-wise.