Supercars

[the Teuton]

I haven't seen a Mitsubishi in a long time, does that make them supercars?

Performance and exclusivity? ...or how Rag forgot to read...

[SVT666]

Your rules suck guys.  They don't make any sense at all...especially the "don't see them every day" requirement and the "Must be the fastest and most expensive int he manufacturer's lineup".  

[Cookie Monster]

Performance and exclusivity? ...or how Rag forgot to read...

Evo?

[Raza]

Your rules suck guys.  They don't make any sense at all...especially the "don't see them every day" requirement and the "Must be the fastest and most expensive int he manufacturer's lineup".  

Okay, it's easy to throw stones....what defines a supercar to you?

[the Teuton]

Evo?

You're right. Those are exclusive to every rice boiz parking lot at Starbucks only.

[Cookie Monster]

You're right. Those are exclusive to every rice boiz parking lot at Starbucks only.

I think I've seen 4 total in my life. Two X's and two VIII/IX's. More exclusive than Porsches and Lambos for me!

[the Teuton]

I think I've seen 4 total in my life. Two X's and two VIII/IX's. More exclusive than Porsches and Lambos for me!

Very odd...

I see at least one just about every day. Of course, we have crappy weather and more mud and snow to flog around in over here.

[SVT666]

Okay, it's easy to throw stones....what defines a supercar to you?

Top Speed.  Today, anything that has a top speed in excess of 200 mph is a supercar to me.

Gallardo
Murcielago
458
599
Corvette ZR1
Viper
Porsche 911 GT2
Zonda
Veyron
etc.

I don't give a rat's ass if it's based on a lesser car or not.  If it goes over 200 mph, then it's a supercar.

[SVT666]

Very odd...

I see at least one just about every day. Of course, we have crappy weather and more mud and snow to flog around in over here.

I see Lambos, Ferraris, etc. here almost everyday from May - September. 

[the Teuton]

Do you consider them exclusive and rare? Fact: There are more Gallardos on the road than current generation Camrys with manual transmissions.

[BimmerM3]

A supercar should be something you don't see every day. I've seen more Gallardos out here than I have Corvettes lately. But I have never seen a Murcielago out here.

There's an exclusivity factor, as well as a performance factor, that's needed.

Someone in my hometown has a beautiful dark red Murcielago that I've seen driving around a few times, and I've seen one or two around Atlanta, but yeah, they're pretty rare.

Oh yes.  Still doesn't make the 458 a supercar.

Oh, I agree there (and with most of what you've said in the thread). I even hesitate to call the 599 a supercar. Not really sure why... it just doesn't seem to quite have it. That might just be a personal issue though.

[the Teuton]

Someone in my hometown has a beautiful dark red Murcielago that I've seen driving around a few times, and I've seen one or two around Atlanta, but yeah, they're pretty rare.

Oh, I agree there (and with most of what you've said in the thread). I even hesitate to call the 599 a supercar. Not really sure why... it just doesn't seem to quite have it. That might just be a personal issue though.

FR layout and kinda ugly have anything to do with it?

[BimmerM3]

See, I wanted to blame it on the FR layout, but I definitely consider the SLR to be a supercar, so .

[SVT666]

See, I wanted to blame it on the FR layout, but I definitely consider the SLR to be a supercar, so .

And the 599 accelerates faster, has the same top speed, and goes around a track faster.

[hotrodalex]

Precisely.  Entry level can never be super.  To tweak Chris's analogy a bit, it's like saying the Mercedes C class is on the same level as the S class because they're both luxury cars made by the same manufacturer, and the materials, engine, chassis, and technology don't separate them. 

That's not what Chris was saying. The Ghost is just about the same as the Phantom, just smaller and maybe not quite as many luxuries. It's still just about the most luxurious car you can get on the planet, therefore it's a "super luxury" car, just like the Phantom. The C-Class is nowhere near as good as the S-Class so of course it isn't on the same level.

And I agree with Chris. You cannot put an objective definition on something so subjective as a supercar. To me, being "super" has nothing to do with speed. It has to have passion and no be compromised. A Lotus 7 could be considered a supercar. It may not be as fast as a Veyron, but it has the soul of a supercar. No compromises, balls to the walls. It's not a car your grandma is gonna want to drive.

[omicron]

I'm siding with that Raza fellow again, as often happens when definitions and the like come into question. I'm inclined to say that the R8 isn't a supercar, either.

[Middle_Path]

This shit isn't hard. It's a wealthy persons toy.  A supercar has to do with the price. It isn't a supercar unless it's rare and expensive. The R8 is basically a gallardo, both of which share too many Audi parts, and may not be rare/expensive enough to qualify.

I see and drive expensive cars quite often. The last one that made me say, "godamn", was a 612 Scaglietti. It blew $150k cars out of the water.

[Raza]

This shit isn't hard. It's a wealthy persons toy.  A supercar has to do with the price. It isn't a supercar unless it's rare and expensive. The R8 is basically a gallardo, both of which share too many Audi parts, and may not be rare/expensive enough to qualify.

I see and drive expensive cars quite often. The last one that made may say, "godamn", was a 612 Scaglietti. It blew $150k cars out of the water.

I was wondering if the 612 would come up.  While I do find it attractive (and I must say I'm in the minority, I know), I think the fact that it has four seats discounts it from the "supercar" category because extra seats (even useless ones) indicates a consideration of practicality. 

[Raza]

Top Speed.  Today, anything that has a top speed in excess of 200 mph is a supercar to me.

Gallardo
Murcielago
458
599
Corvette ZR1
Viper
Porsche 911 GT2
Zonda
Veyron
etc.

I don't give a rat's ass if it's based on a lesser car or not.  If it goes over 200 mph, then it's a supercar.

So, does the top speed requirement change per decade? 

[SVT666]

So, does the top speed requirement change per decade? 

Yes.  20 years ago only the Diablo was capable.

[hotrodalex]

I was wondering if the 612 would come up.  While I do find it attractive (and I must say I'm in the minority, I know), I think the fact that it has four seats discounts it from the "supercar" category because extra seats (even useless ones) indicates a consideration of practicality. 

Well the McLaren F1 has three seats. That's one extra seat, so it's trying to be practical.

Actually, I don't think true supercars should have any extra seats at all. They should just have the driver's seat. Passengers are just compromises, they add weight and distract you. True supercars would never include such things.

[Onslaught]

Well the McLaren F1 has three seats. That's one extra seat, so it's trying to be practical.

Actually, I don't think true supercars should have any extra seats at all. They should just have the driver's seat. Passengers are just compromises, they add weight and distract you. True supercars would never include such things.

You need a place to put the pussy. And the McLaren will let you bring two for a threesome. And because you're rich they will be young, skinny and hot. So they won't add much weight.

[hotrodalex]

You need a place to put the pussy. And the McLaren will let you bring two for a threesome. And because you're rich they will be young, skinny and hot. So they won't add much weight.

What's wrong with a 612 then? That gives you the possibility of a foursome...

[MX793]

Well the McLaren F1 has three seats. That's one extra seat, so it's trying to be practical.

Actually, I don't think true supercars should have any extra seats at all. They should just have the driver's seat. Passengers are just compromises, they add weight and distract you. True supercars would never include such things.

But how does one engage in a long distance road rally type of event without a navigator?

[Eye of the Tiger]

But how does one engage in a long distance road rally type of event without a navigator?

Tom Tom

[BimmerM3]

Well the McLaren F1 has three seats. That's one extra seat, so it's trying to be practical.

Actually, I don't think true supercars should have any extra seats at all. They should just have the driver's seat. Passengers are just compromises, they add weight and distract you. True supercars would never include such things.

Didn't US Spec F1s only have one seat?

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Didn't US Spec F1s only have one seat?

Nope.

[SVT666]

Yes.  Ameritech imported F1s and had to remove both passenger seats as part of certification.  Owners were able to put them back in after the fact...along with removal of the ugly ass bumpers Ameritech had to install.

[BimmerM3]

So there weren't really any "US Spec" F1s, there was just a company that made the modifications necessary to import them here?

[Raza]

Well the McLaren F1 has three seats. That's one extra seat, so it's trying to be practical.

Actually, I don't think true supercars should have any extra seats at all. They should just have the driver's seat. Passengers are just compromises, they add weight and distract you. True supercars would never include such things.

I was waiting for someone to mention the fact that the Mclaren had three seats.  I think they were the byproduct of the center seating position, and not a practical concern, like a back bench is, and therefore are given a pass.