Brute force vs precision and feedback

[SVT32V]

that drag racer is about as precise as a giant spork

You think getting that kind of power to hook and not drive into the wall is done with oxcart suspension tuning?

[Vinsanity]

Precision as is going around turns, not holding a straight line. That was the context in which this whole thread was being discussed. Sorry I was under the impression that drag racers with giant rear slicks and pizza cutter front tires and a big-ass blower up front weren't built for that sort of thing.

[68_427]

preciseness: the quality of being reproducible in amount or performance; "he handled it with the preciseness of an automaton"; "note the meticulous precision of his measurements"

[SVT32V]

Precision as is going around turns, not holding a straight line. That was the context in which this whole thread was being discussed. Sorry I was under the impression that drag racers with giant rear slicks and pizza cutter front tires and a big-ass blower up front weren't built for that sort of thing.

I didn't mean to seem like a jackass, it just brought up an interesting point that such a drag car does have a sophisticated setup to put that power down.  Yes it is a different kind of handling, but it is handling just the same. Getting consistent launches and not driving into the wall during the shifts takes some serious suspension tuning that is no less sophisticated than a road racer.   Just putting giant sticky tires is not going to do it.

[68_427]

I didn't mean to seem like a jackass, it just brought up an interesting point that such a drag car does have a sophisticated setup to put that power down.  Yes it is a different kind of handling, but it is handling just the same. Getting consistent launches and not driving into the wall during the shifts takes some serious suspension tuning that is no less sophisticated than a road racer.   Just putting giant sticky tires is not going to do it.

This was the point I was trying to make with that post.  Thank you.

[sportyaccordy]

You know because you've driven it?  Or know anything about it?

I would pay top dollar to see that thing race a stock C6 on a road course. Precise my ass.

[SVT666]

I would pay top dollar to see that thing race a stock C6 on a road course. Precise my ass.

It seems that you think precision only applies to cornering.  They were simply making a point.

[Vinsanity]

I didn't mean to seem like a jackass, it just brought up an interesting point that such a drag car does have a sophisticated setup to put that power down.  Yes it is a different kind of handling, but it is handling just the same. Getting consistent launches and not driving into the wall during the shifts takes some serious suspension tuning that is no less sophisticated than a road racer.   Just putting giant sticky tires is not going to do it.

No worries. You make a good point about the precision it takes to keep a beast like that on the straight and narrow (it does deserve to be mentioned), but the context of the original premise was cornering.

[Cookie Monster]

It seems that you think precision only applies to cornering.  They were simply making a point.

Yet this thread was started about going fast vs. turning ability. Precision with regard to putting down power doesn't apply.

[68_427]

Yet this thread was started about going fast vs. turning ability. Precision with regard to putting down power doesn't apply.

Nowhere does the OP state this.  Even though we all know what he meant.  I just like to look at it other ways to get a reaction out of people.  Life is way more interesting that way.

[sportyaccordy]

If you guys consider precision the ability to keep a car in a straight line for a quarter mile....

[SVT32V]

If you guys consider precision the ability to keep a car in a straight line for a quarter mile....

It boggles the mind that a car enthusiast could not understand or appreciate that getting to 190 mph in a 7 second 1/4 mile is challenging and takes serious engineering of the suspension.  For that matter running 10s is not easy.
Yeah just bolt a big turbo on, point and squirt, it will go straight down the track, its that easy
Something tells me you have never hammered a car with any real amount of hp or you would understand.

[SVT32V]

Yet this thread was started about going fast vs. turning ability. Precision with regard to putting down power doesn't apply.

Part of precise handling is putting power down, not just in a straight line but coming out of turns etc. A suboptimal rear suspension might axle hop or deflect among other possibilities that would greatly decrease handling.  Fwders also have the problem of asking the front tires to do all of the turning and acceleration, in higher hp models this certainly takes away from precise handling.

[goldenlover1101]

Brute Force, I want a new Camaro Z28 so bad. A Corvette ZR1 is one of my top dream cars, which I assume is counted as a brute force?

[BimmerM3]

Brute Force, I want a new Camaro Z28 so bad. A Corvette ZR1 is one of my top dream cars, which I assume is counted as a brute force?

I would say that the ZR1 is more brute force than precision, but I think it's precise enough to be taken out of consideration for this thread.

[SVT666]

If you guys consider precision the ability to keep a car in a straight line for a quarter mile....

Obviously you've never tried it with a truly powerful car.  It ain't easy. 

[sportyaccordy]

It boggles the mind that a car enthusiast could not understand or appreciate that getting to 190 mph in a 7 second 1/4 mile is challenging and takes serious engineering of the suspension.  For that matter running 10s is not easy.
Yeah just bolt a big turbo on, point and squirt, it will go straight down the track, its that easy
Something tells me you have never hammered a car with any real amount of hp or you would understand.

Who says I don't appreciate it? All I'm saying is it takes a bit more effort to make a solid + precise + powerful road car than a single purpose drag car. A good drag car has to keep its wheels on the ground and stay straight while accelerating. Tough with 1000 HP, but not as tough as say, making a 500 HP car keep its wheels on the ground, regardless of the ground condition or what the car is doing, accelerate effectively whether the car is going straight or turning, maintain stability while braking both in a straight line and while turning, etc. etc... you're talking about designing for 2 criteria vs designing for 10+

Again not a knock at designing an effective drag car, just saying it's harder to design a car to do a lot of things well than to design a car w/a single purpose

[68_427]

I bet that car took more work than to make a Chevy blazer handle well.