Zero-alcohol limit for drivers 21 and under

[VTEC_Inside]

Now that I think about it, I just had a couple of drinks before driving home. In 4 days, I won't be able to do that.

Yes you will...

But I'm not sure dazzle will be as impressed with a DUI so you better step on it if your see 

[dazzleman]

You're right, James.

[Rupert]

What if the DUI followed an epic chase across county lines, that ended with SVT jumping a river?

[dsred]

Can you say "police state"? Julian Fantino is a fascist.

[FoMoJo]

Can you say "police state"? Julian Fantino is a fascist.

Can't say I care much for Fantino.  Big ego, big mouth; couldn't stand that Cam Woolley was appreciated by the public and tried to belittle him.  Upon retirement he no doubt will slither into some primordial morass and reemerge as a politician; his true calling.  As for Bill Blair, he's a good cop imo.  First good chief they've had in Toronto for a long time.

[dsred]

Cam Wolley is no better. He comes across as a brainwashed Barney Fife.

[AutobahnSHO]

sorry to all you drinkers but I believe a 0% alcohol + driving should be enacted for all ages. for obvious reasons.

[Cookie Monster]

sorry to all you drinkers but I believe a 0% alcohol + driving should be enacted for all ages. for obvious reasons.

So you can't even have a nice glass of wine with your meal and then drive home? That's a bit extreme.

[Raza]

So you can't even have a nice glass of wine with your meal and then drive home? That's a bit extreme.

He doesn't drink. 

[SVT_Power]

Can't say I care much for Fantino.  Big ego, big mouth; couldn't stand that Cam Woolley was appreciated by the public and tried to belittle him.  Upon retirement he no doubt will slither into some primordial morass and reemerge as a politician; his true calling.  As for Bill Blair, he's a good cop imo.  First good chief they've had in Toronto for a long time.

Bill Blair. I have to admit he's done a decent job of keeping Toronto under control even with the recent (over the last few years) increase in gang and gun related violence. But where he lost all confidence from me is when he was addressing the media after the G20 mess about the 5m law that apparently was never in effect. When media started asking him questions, he just simply smirked and left. What's that supposed to mean? "I'm a giant douchebag and I'll impose whatever I want to impose on the city as long as Dalton Mcqueerty says I can"?

[SVT_Power]

sorry to all you drinkers but I believe a 0% alcohol + driving should be enacted for all ages. for obvious reasons.

Even when a single drink doesn't really affect anything?

[Rupert]

A single drink has an affect on most people, but the affect is small enough that it doesn't impair driving enough that driving is unsafe.

[goldenlover1101]

sorry to all you drinkers but I believe a 0% alcohol + driving should be enacted for all ages. for obvious reasons.

Agreed, but I don't think it can be age discriminate if it is legal to drink.

[bing_oh]

Alright, since Raza apologized, I'll answer his question...

What's the waiting period?

There's a mandatory 20 minute observation period before a breath test to guarantee that any residual mouth alcohol is gone. During that 20 minutes, you have to be observed by the testing officer and you're not permitted to have anything in your mouth (including things like tongue piercings or dentures). Alcohol in the mouth should be gone within 10 minutes, but we're required to do 20 to be totally fair.

[BimmerM3]

(including things like tongue piercings or dentures).

Damn, that would suck if it were a new piercing.

[Raza]

Alright, since Raza apologized, I'll answer his question...

There's a mandatory 20 minute observation period before a breath test to guarantee that any residual mouth alcohol is gone. During that 20 minutes, you have to be observed by the testing officer and you're not permitted to have anything in your mouth (including things like tongue piercings or dentures). Alcohol in the mouth should be gone within 10 minutes, but we're required to do 20 to be totally fair.

So you're still inconvenienced for at least 20 minutes if you test a false positive.  That sucks. 

[Raza]

Damn, that would suck if it were a new piercing.

I avoid this issue cleverly by not getting my tongue pierced. 

[hotrodalex]

Alright, since Raza apologized, I'll answer his question...

There's a mandatory 20 minute observation period before a breath test to guarantee that any residual mouth alcohol is gone. During that 20 minutes, you have to be observed by the testing officer and you're not permitted to have anything in your mouth (including things like tongue piercings or dentures). Alcohol in the mouth should be gone within 10 minutes, but we're required to do 20 to be totally fair.

What, did someone invent a tongue ring that absorbs alcohol from your blood?

[TurboDan]

So you're still inconvenienced for at least 20 minutes if you test a false positive.  That sucks. 

Let's be honest. If a traffic stop gets to the point where you were identified as being potentially intoxicated, failed a field sobriety test and are waiting for a breath test to confirm, is there really ANY chance that it was a "false positive?"

[Rupert]

Yes, and that's why there is the breath test. Duh.

[Tave]

What, did someone invent a tongue ring that absorbs alcohol from your blood?

I think he meant that a tongue ring had the (extremely rare) potential to give a false positive because you use rubbing alcohol to clean the ring, but that's just my wild-ass speculation.

[Minpin]

I think he meant that a tongue ring had the (extremely rare) potential to give a false positive because you use rubbing alcohol to clean the ring, but that's just my wild-ass speculation.

I took it as removing all variables in the test. Same as why they make you wait; they want a controlled test.

[bing_oh]

I think he meant that a tongue ring had the (extremely rare) potential to give a false positive because you use rubbing alcohol to clean the ring, but that's just my wild-ass speculation.

Actually, no.

I took it as removing all variables in the test. Same as why they make you wait; they want a controlled test.

This is a much better explanation of why things like piercings have to be removed from the mouth. It's basically to remove any possible variable that might later bring into question the test in court. Basically, it's to remove the possible argument that "pockets" of alcohol were trapped under mouth obstructions like piercings or dentures (as rare as such an occurance would actually be) and made the test unnaturally high.

[bing_oh]

Let's be honest. If a traffic stop gets to the point where you were identified as being potentially intoxicated, failed a field sobriety test and are waiting for a breath test to confirm, is there really ANY chance that it was a "false positive?"

Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

While there probably aren't many experienced LEO's out there who haven't had a "low test" or a "squeaker" (ie, someone who tests under the .08 limit after giving PC for an arrest during field tests), it's actually a pretty rare occurance. Not to mention that (in most if not all states) it's a different violation to test over certan BAC limits than it is to be impaired. You don't need to have a BAC test to be charged with and convicted of DUI...the officer only has to prove impairment.

[BENZ BOY15]

I'm pretty anti drinking & driving. This is a little silly given that you can drink legally anyway. For a DUI, I think the punishment (in the US at least) is far too weak. A night in jail and a slap on the wrist doesn't cut it.

What also doesn't cut it is when someone has 8 DUIs and they still have the right to drive and on their 9th DUI, they end up killing someone. Only in the US.

[AutobahnSHO]

Yeah, two DUIs in most of Europe would probably have your license.  FOREVER.

[SVT_Power]

I should have a couple of drinks and then drive home just before midnight tonight.

[dazzleman]

And make sure you're going 40+ km/hr over ths speed limit when you do it, Eddie...

[SVT_Power]

And make sure you're going 40+ km/hr over ths speed limit when you do it, Eddie...

40 km/h over? I don't go that slow. 40 mph over is more like it.

[SVT_Power]

I ended up having a couple of beers and a couple of shots tonight before driving home. But it was over the span of like 2-3 hrs and it was with dinner. It was really close to home and I've never ever seen a checkpoint anywhere near my place so I did it. My mom was also with me and she didn't say I couldn't drive.   

But either way it was before midnight.

Well I guess as of 16 minutes ago, I can't have any alcohol in my system while driving.