SVT Focus replacement

[sportyaccordy]

How do you feel after I remind you that by all objective and subjective measures it's a better performing and driving car than any car you've ever owned?

How do I feel? The same way I did before reading this goofy ass post. And I doubt said Camry could outperform my 2nd Accord, which weighed 2700lb, had ~230 crank HP and a Neuspeed/Koni suspension... def a mid 14 second car with handling *slightly* better than a cruise liner like the Camry...

I know your only measure of performance is how well a car can hang w/ or beat a "wannabe rich entry level Germanmobile" in an impromptu stoplight race.... but some people enjoy changing directions....

Seriously... comparing a Camry or Malibu to a 550i or G37 in the category of driving enjoyment is fcking asinine....

[2o6]

Yeah, I don't understand why he says that.


Honestly, most all midsizers feel pretty comparatively disconnected in terms of driving experience. Even so, aside from outright speed, I don't really think a midsizer Camcord can out perform a sportier compact in the curves, comfort-tuned suspension and lots of body roll isn't exactly good performance......

[2o6]

SVT, what about a used CTS/STS(V)?


They're pretty nice, too.

[Rupert]

Yeah, I don't understand why he says that.


Honestly, most all midsizers feel pretty comparatively disconnected in terms of driving experience. Even so, aside from outright speed, I don't really think a midsizer Camcord can out perform a sportier compact in the curves, comfort-tuned suspension and lots of body roll isn't exactly good performance......

He says that to troll us. Durr.

[SVT666]

SVT, what about a used CTS/STS(V)?


They're pretty nice, too.

I don't trust GM yet.  The only cars I've ever had that have had to make trips to the shop are GM.  My parents have ahd many problems with their GM cars too and they're pretty new cars.

[2o6]

Magnum SRT8?

[GoCougs]

How do I feel? The same way I did before reading this goofy ass post. And I doubt said Camry could outperform my 2nd Accord, which weighed 2700lb, had ~230 crank HP and a Neuspeed/Koni suspension... def a mid 14 second car with handling *slightly* better than a cruise liner like the Camry...

I know your only measure of performance is how well a car can hang w/ or beat a "wannabe rich entry level Germanmobile" in an impromptu stoplight race.... but some people enjoy changing directions....

Seriously... comparing a Camry or Malibu to a 550i or G37 in the category of driving enjoyment is fcking asinine....

Easy, bro.

Yet again you're carrying on with these straw man arguments. I never compared the "driving enjoyment" of those two classes of car.

[giant_mtb]

[GoCougs]

He says that to troll us. Durr.

'Cause it's funny to see you turkeys malign a car for being "boring" when most you don't have a car that can't touch its "excitement" let alone performance.

[2o6]

'Cause it's funny to see you turkeys malign a car for being "boring" when most you don't have a car that can't touch its "excitement" let alone performance.

Keep thinking that, sweetheart.

[2o6]

Easy, bro.

Yet again you're carrying on with these straw man arguments. I never compared the "driving enjoyment" of those two classes of car.

"Objective and subjective" measurements.


That was driving enjoyment.

[Rupert]

'Cause it's funny to see you turkeys malign a car for being "boring" when most you don't have a car that can't touch its "excitement" let alone performance.

I do.

[ifcar]

'Cause it's funny to see you turkeys malign a car for being "boring" when most you don't have a car that can't touch its "excitement" let alone performance.

A V6 Accord can be quick, but it isn't going to be exciting. Most of us who don't have remotely exciting cars are able to avoid denial about it, and you just sound stupid to the many forum members who do.

[SVT666]

I do.

Uhhh.  Me too.  Why would I go from a car as fun as my SVT Focus and get a Camry?

[sportyaccordy]

Easy, bro.

Yet again you're carrying on with these straw man arguments. I never compared the "driving enjoyment" of those two classes of car.

You said a V6 Camry is a better performing and "driving" car than anything I've ever owned. One, a Camry V6 only outperforms in a straight line, two, as I said before you must not enjoy driving as you don't factor engagement or handling into what makes a car a good "drive".

[GoCougs]

A V6 Accord can be quick, but it isn't going to be exciting. Most of us who don't have remotely exciting cars are able to avoid denial about it, and you just sound stupid to the many forum members who do.

Tit-for-tat is can be agitating; that it exists isn't my fault, and I think I handle it rather maturely in the context it has to be mentioned for irony's sake.

[GoCougs]

You said a V6 Camry is a better performing and "driving" car than anything I've ever owned. One, a Camry V6 only outperforms in a straight line, two, as I said before you must not enjoy driving as you don't factor engagement or handling into what makes a car a good "drive".

You're diverting the premise and creating yet another straw man; your claim was I compared the two classes of cars (not YOUR cars) but the 550i/G37 and Camcord (I did not) and I only went so for to say what I think constitutes "engagement" to say the Camcord is better performing and driving car than what most people on this forum drive.

[2o6]

Uhhh.  Me too.  Why would I go from a car as fun as my SVT Focus and get a Camry?

Heck, I'd even say my little beater Neon is a more fun car.

[sportyaccordy]

You're diverting the premise and creating yet another straw man; your claim was I compared the two classes of cars (not YOUR cars) but the 550i/G37 and Camcord (I did not) and I only went so for to say what I think constitutes "engagement" to say the Camcord is better performing and driving car than what most people on this forum drive.

W/e.... you suggested a dull ass Camry/Accord V6 (not even the Accord coupe with the stickshift) to someone looking at a 550i, your opinion is null + void

[FoMoJo]

'Cause it's funny to see you turkeys malign a car for being "boring" when most you don't have a car that can't touch its "excitement" let alone performance.

don't have a car that can't touch its "excitement"...I guess that would be a Lada ...and you're right, most people don't have Ladas.

[GoCougs]

W/e.... you suggested a dull ass Camry/Accord V6 (not even the Accord coupe with the stickshift) to someone looking at a 550i, your opinion is null + void

I accept your implicit bet - we'll see what car he ends up buying - an equivalent to a Camcord or an equivalent to a 550i...

[Vinsanity]

who wins if he gets a G37? that car pretty much splits the difference.

[sportyaccordy]

who wins if he gets a G37? that car pretty much splits the difference.

G37 is much closer to say, a 535i, than a damn Camry

I'd say a new Mazda6 would split the diff

[GoCougs]

who wins if he gets a G37? that car pretty much splits the difference.

A divide by zero situation - the universe implodes.

[GoCougs]

G37 is much closer to say, a 535i, than a damn Camry

I'd say a new Mazda6 would split the diff

  Not exact equivalent but very close and otherwise the exact same class of car: Camry = Accord = Fusion = Altima = Malibu = Mazda6, et al.

[sportyaccordy]

 Not exact equivalent but very close and otherwise the exact same class of car: Camry = Accord = Fusion = Altima = Malibu = Mazda6, et al.

Within the same class... hell within the same model range there's a huge difference that wipes out "equivalency"... for example, the diff between a wallowy, numb, sparingly equipped Accord LX V6 sedan and an HFP suspension equipped, fully loaded 6 speed EX V6 coupe is literally night and day...

The fact that the only car in that class dude is even considering is the Mazda 6 shows there's little equivalency beyond drivetrain setups & the like, in the context of what SVT666 is looking for. To him, I'd imagine, a Mazda6 is closer to a G37S than to a Camry V6 (even with the SE "aero kit"), as both are actually cars he'd consider owning...

[Rupert]

Uhhh.  Me too.  Why would I go from a car as fun as my SVT Focus and get a Camry?

Exactly.

[Vinsanity]

come to think of it, a G37 is much closer to a 5-series, while a Mazda 6 is definitely closer to a Camry.

[GoCougs]

Within the same class... hell within the same model range there's a huge difference that wipes out "equivalency"... for example, the diff between a wallowy, numb, sparingly equipped Accord LX V6 sedan and an HFP suspension equipped, fully loaded 6 speed EX V6 coupe is literally night and day...

The fact that the only car in that class dude is even considering is the Mazda 6 shows there's little equivalency beyond drivetrain setups & the like, in the context of what SVT666 is looking for. To him, I'd imagine, a Mazda6 is closer to a G37S than to a Camry V6 (even with the SE "aero kit"), as both are actually cars he'd consider owning...

Uh, in context (performance) the basic V6 Accord and loaded V6 Accord w/MT have the exact same suspensions.

As to your second point (Mazda6 closer to G37S than a Camry SE V6) if that's the case, he's dead wrong.

[SVT666]

I had some time to kill today and I test drove a 2010 Infiniti G37 and then a 2011 Infiniti G37 back to back.  To all those who complain about the VQ being a coarse sounding engine at higher RPMs needs to drive the 2011 car.  I think they redesigned the intake because it sounds completely different than the 2010.  The 2010 is higher pitched and somewhat coarse within 2000 RPM of redline...but the 2011 has an almost V8 quality to the growl of the V6 all the way to redline.  It sounds sweet.  The 2010's automatic doesn't hold gears, even in sport mode.  The 2011's automatic is damn near perfect, though the manu-shifting is about 700 RPM behind on upshifts under full throttle and the manual downshifts are kinda rough.  Left in sport mode, the transmission holds gears and seems to know exactly what I want it to do at all times.  The 2010 I drove was a coupe and it had paddle shifters which, I gotta tell ya, were a little quicker than the manu-shift with the stick...and surprisingly fun.  Much better than the paddles on the Camaro which were very slow to react.  I was very surprised by the handling.  The sedan was AWD so it didn't accelerate with the intensity of the RWD, but it was still a really fun car to drive.  The 2010 was RWD and I got the rear end out to the side at one point, and I got the "shiny side up" comment from the saleswoman.  The steering is just as good as my Focus but with one bonus....no torque steer.  That's saying something, because the the steering in my SVT Focus is the best I've ever experienced.  The seats are fantastic and have 6 different levels of heat.   With the driver's seat setup for me, I had plenty of leg room behind myself in the back.  The quality of interior materials is second to none, and the steering wheels is perfectly shaped.  

I'm sold on this car.  I will definitely be getting it in the US though because for 2011 the sedan is AWD only in Canada.

I was pleasantly impressed with the saleswoman.  She was about 30, really pretty, and knows a lot about cars....and has had two Mustangs in a row.  She replaced the turbo on her old Mazda RX-7 with help from a friend of hers and she knew what an SVT Focus was and exactly everything SVT did in modifications to the regular Focus.  If I wasn't married I would have gotten down on one knee right then and there.