2012 Passat (US) revealed

Started by ifcar, January 09, 2011, 07:57:00 PM

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the Teuton

#120
March 16, 2011, 09:34:07 PM
Remember, this platform is eventually going to (in a premium version most likely) supplant the Euro Passat and a bunch of other vehicles.

VW wouldn't design a platform exclusively for one car that's only sold in North America and China.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

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2o6

#121
March 16, 2011, 09:35:48 PM
.....so what does that have to do with the fact the transmission hump is too big? Do the Chinese like big humps?

the Teuton

#122
March 16, 2011, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on March 16, 2011, 09:35:48 PM
.....so what does that have to do with the fact the transmission hump is too big? Do the Chinese like big humps?

AWD version maybe later? Crossover?
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

2o6

#123
March 16, 2011, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 16, 2011, 09:37:47 PM
AWD version maybe later? Crossover?

Most midsize cars have an AWD option and the hump isn't this large.


Most midsize cars have some sort of CUV based upon them and the hump isn't this big.

Laconian

#124
March 16, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
Even still, that doesn't warrant such a massive hump.

My VW cynicism ("omg we needs to make money$ without really working hard!") tells me that it's a cost savings measure. Perhaps it's a way to make the floorpan stiffer with crappier steel? :huh:
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the Teuton

#125
March 16, 2011, 09:49:18 PM
Still, this car is huge -- like Ford 500/last gen Taurus huge. I don't think a hump -- a hump, a hump, a hump. A lovely VW lump...is going to make or break sales. And the old Passat had one, too.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

ifcar

#126
March 17, 2011, 06:51:59 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on March 16, 2011, 09:38:59 PM
Most midsize cars have an AWD option

No, only a handful do.

Madman

#127
March 17, 2011, 08:04:24 AM
Quote from: Laconian on March 16, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
Perhaps it's a way to make the floorpan stiffer with crappier steel? :huh:


That's what I was thinking.  It's a cheap and easy way to add rigidity to the floorpan, at the expense of cabin space.


Quote from: the Teuton on March 16, 2011, 09:37:47 PM
AWD version maybe later? Crossover?

Well, there's certainly plenty of room under that tunnel to do it!  If they wanted to spin a rear-drive model off this platform, that hump looks big enough to fit a rear-mounted transmission in front of the axle.  Think Maserati Quattroporte.  Hmmm, a rear drive Passat with perfect 50/50 weight distribution?  That would go a long way to make this dullard of a car a lot more interesting!
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AltinD

#128
March 17, 2011, 11:09:25 AM
I don't care, I just feel very bad when I see a R36 model on the street. It's funny cause I see a R36 almost every day, while another V6 only a few a month, even less.

Why didn't they have the R36 when I bought mine  :cry:  :rage:  :banghead:






Ah, so many of them ... why can't be one, just one, mine?  





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ifcar

#129
March 17, 2011, 11:25:59 AM
Okay, back to the hump:

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Volkswagen-Passat_Estate_2011_1024x768_wallpaper_17.jpg

Yes, that's the new European version. In fact, near as I can tell, every Passat has had a similar hump since 2006. It's hard to tell though, because of the convenient angle of most of VW's rear seat photos.

Madman

#130
March 17, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: ifcar on March 17, 2011, 11:25:59 AM
Okay, back to the hump:

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Volkswagen-Passat_Estate_2011_1024x768_wallpaper_17.jpg

Yes, that's the new European version. In fact, near as I can tell, every Passat has had a similar hump since 2006. It's hard to tell though, because of the convenient angle of most of VW's rear seat photos.


Gee, that Passat sure looks anawful lot like a Corvette!  :lol:
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"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ~ Isaac Asimov

"I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses." - Johannes Kepler

"One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to facts." - C.S. Lewis

ifcar

#131
March 17, 2011, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: Madman on March 17, 2011, 02:07:43 PM

Gee, that Passat sure looks anawful lot like a Corvette!  :lol:

Geez, they won't even let me LINK to their photo??

the Teuton

#133
March 17, 2011, 03:06:40 PM
Like I said, I've sat in the car. I've caressed it. I've been let down by the materials in the interior and the build quality.

But I have to admit: It's fucking huge inside.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

68_427

#134
March 17, 2011, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 17, 2011, 03:06:40 PM
Like I said, I've sat in the car. I've caressed it. I've been let down by the materials in the interior and the build quality.

But I have to admit: It's fucking huge inside.

Is it any worse than the Camry?
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the Teuton

#135
March 17, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on March 17, 2011, 03:09:09 PM
Is it any worse than the Camry?

To be honest, not really. It's pretty much on-par with the Camry. The Accord's a little better. Somehow materials got cheaper across the board in all of the newer midsize sedans except for the Fusion.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

68_427

#136
March 17, 2011, 03:13:04 PM
I don't think they'll sell many even though it seems to have what the market wants.
Quotewhere were you when automotive dream died
i was sat at home drinking brake fluid when wife ring
'racecar is die'
no

the Teuton

#137
March 17, 2011, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on March 17, 2011, 03:13:04 PM
I don't think they'll sell many even though it seems to have what the market wants.

It's exactly what the people want. It's an average car in every single way. It's so beige, it isn't even funny. It's an alienation of German spunk for Korean value and American size.

It's not a bad car. Is it a little disappointing? Sure. Having driven the old 2.0T, I can say that engine is pretty much awesome. Replacing it with a 5-pot is t3h suck. But I was never the biggest fan of the B6 Passat, and apparently most of the market wasn't, either.

I'd say it really competes with the last gen Taurus/500, which was an incredibly underrated car. And it's biggest selling point is one that VDub has lacked for a while now in a lot of areas: value.
2. 1995 Saturn SL2 5-speed, 126,500 miles. 5,000 miles in two and a half months. That works out to 24,000 miles per year if I can keep up the pace.

Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2010, 10:48:54 PM
I don't care about all that shit.  I'll be going to college to get an education at a cost to my parents.  I'm not going to fool around.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
She'll hate diesel passenger cars, all things Ford, and fiat currency.  They will masturbate to old interviews of Ayn Rand an youtube together.
You can take the troll out of the Subaru, but you can't take the Subaru out of the troll!

AltinD

#138
March 18, 2011, 04:56:40 AM
I have not seen the US Passat (obviously) but if anyone really think that Camry and Accord (or Fusion) have better interiour materials then the B6 Passat (2006 - 2010) then ....  :banghead:  :hammerhead:  :nono:

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Madman

#139
March 18, 2011, 06:53:02 AM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 17, 2011, 03:20:58 PM
It's exactly what the people want. It's an average car in every single way. It's so beige, it isn't even funny. It's an alienation of German spunk for Korean value and American size.


Yes, the sad truth is the typical brain-dead American consumer likes their cars big and cheap and to hell with anything else.  (Driving dynamics?  Duh, what's that?)  This car scores on both those counts.  The fact I hate it means they'll probably sell loads.  :facepalm:
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Formerly owned cars: 2010 Mazda 5 Sport, 2008 Audi A4 2.0T S-Line Sedan, 2003 Volkswagen Passat GL 1.8T wagon, 1998 Ford Escort SE sedan, 2001 Cadillac Catera, 2000 Volkswagen Golf GLS 2.0 5-Door, 1997 Honda Odyssey LX, 1991 Volvo 240 sedan, 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo sedan, 1987 Volvo 240 DL sedan, 1990 Peugeot 405 DL Sportswagon, 1985 Peugeot 505 Turbo sedan, 1985 Merkur XR4Ti, 1983 Renault R9 Alliance DL sedan, 1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic wagon, 1975 Volkswagen Transporter, 1980 Fiat X-1/9 Bertone, 1979 Volkswagen Rabbit C 3-Door hatch, 1976 Ford Pinto V6 coupe, 1952 Chevrolet Styleline Deluxe sedan

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ~ Isaac Asimov

"I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses." - Johannes Kepler

"One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to facts." - C.S. Lewis

Madman

#140
March 19, 2011, 02:53:13 AM

Current cars: 2015 Ford Escape SE, 2011 MINI Cooper

Formerly owned cars: 2010 Mazda 5 Sport, 2008 Audi A4 2.0T S-Line Sedan, 2003 Volkswagen Passat GL 1.8T wagon, 1998 Ford Escort SE sedan, 2001 Cadillac Catera, 2000 Volkswagen Golf GLS 2.0 5-Door, 1997 Honda Odyssey LX, 1991 Volvo 240 sedan, 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo sedan, 1987 Volvo 240 DL sedan, 1990 Peugeot 405 DL Sportswagon, 1985 Peugeot 505 Turbo sedan, 1985 Merkur XR4Ti, 1983 Renault R9 Alliance DL sedan, 1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic wagon, 1975 Volkswagen Transporter, 1980 Fiat X-1/9 Bertone, 1979 Volkswagen Rabbit C 3-Door hatch, 1976 Ford Pinto V6 coupe, 1952 Chevrolet Styleline Deluxe sedan

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ~ Isaac Asimov

"I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses." - Johannes Kepler

"One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to facts." - C.S. Lewis

Atomic

#141
March 19, 2011, 05:28:28 AM
obvious styling cues from honda (accord) and ford's fusion... it looks okay, i guess... must see one on person. the new vw jetta gli makes up for the base jetta's conservative styling, i think. the passat may have a trick up it's sleeve.

sportyaccordy

#142
March 21, 2011, 12:57:11 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on March 17, 2011, 03:20:58 PM
It's exactly what the people want. It's an average car in every single way. It's so beige, it isn't even funny. It's an alienation of German spunk for Korean value and American size.

It's not a bad car. Is it a little disappointing? Sure. Having driven the old 2.0T, I can say that engine is pretty much awesome. Replacing it with a 5-pot is t3h suck. But I was never the biggest fan of the B6 Passat, and apparently most of the market wasn't, either.

I'd say it really competes with the last gen Taurus/500, which was an incredibly underrated car. And it's biggest selling point is one that VDub has lacked for a while now in a lot of areas: value.
The prob with this logic, as I said before, is that the people already have the choices of the dozens of other vanilla cars on the market. This car doesn't stand out in any category, and w/o the brand equity of Toyota or Honda, will suffer for it.

AltinD

#143
April 21, 2011, 06:30:25 AM
LOL, VW ME will sell the US-made Passat in the region. After dropping the Phaeton and the Polo, with the US Passat joining in (instead of the German model), now they have a totally NA market passanger cars line-up, complete with most of the Golf sold being actually GTI. Ok, maybe the only difference is the presence of the Scirocco.  :wtf:

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