Alfa's 11, I mean 12, and now 13 years (and counting) of broken promises

[Raza]

Alfas do have really bad overhang, so do Peugeots and big Renaults...

And Americans are way more image conscious, I don't think any American would be caught dead in a Twingo... we buy the most of cars that make no sense (big sedans, small SUVs and pickup trucks) and run from cars that make sense (wagons, hatchbacks, MPVs). Americans are image conscious to a fault.

I don't think so.  Look at the Brits.  Look at Wimmer!  Everything's about history and heritage and if something isn't a hundred years old, it's not worth buying. 

They may not have the same hang-ups over vehicle types, but it's image consciousness, just in a different way.

[CALL_911]

And Americans are way more image conscious

No fucking way.

Wimmer's sozialneid bullshit is all the evidence I need.

[Vinsanity]

And Americans are way more image conscious, I don't think any American would be caught dead in a Twingo... we buy the most of cars that make no sense (big sedans, small SUVs and pickup trucks) and run from cars that make sense (wagons, hatchbacks, MPVs). Americans are image conscious to a fault.

Big sedans make more sense than wagons and hatchbacks for people who care more about passenger space and comfort than cargo space. You're developing a tendency to project your personal beliefs onto other people's decisions, here, Sport

No fucking way.

Wimmer's sozialneid bullshit is all the evidence I need.

[cawimmer430]

Wimmer's sozialneid bullshit is all the evidence I need.

It exists. It's not bullshit.

[Raza]

It exists. It's not bullshit.

You misunderstood.  The fact that it exists is bullshit, he's not saying that it doesn't exist.

[Catman]

Junk

[Onslaught]

Most Alfa's are ugly as hell. And Alfa's emblem is hideous.

Fuck them.

[Madman]

So, MAYBE we'll the 4C and a yet-to-be-named crossover someday.  Maybe.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/09/alfa-romeos-u-s-rebirth-delayed-again/

[LonghornTX]

Most Alfa's are ugly as hell. And Alfa's emblem is hideous.

Fuck them.

That is kind of silly to say, considering how well revered their styling is by most in Europe (and here too). The emblem is also more legit than most.

Don't pay attention to the news, they don't know sh*t about what is planned for this brand.

[Onslaught]

That is kind of silly to say, considering how well revered their styling is by most in Europe (and here too). The emblem is also more legit than most.

Don't pay attention to the news, they don't know sh*t about what is planned for this brand.

I just don't get the love. Perhaps they do have something to them as far as driving. I can't say because I've never been in one. But to look at? Only a very few have done anything for me and most of the ones people drool over just look darn ugly to me.
I have to say the Alfa love is something I'll never understand.

[mzziaz]

I just don't get the love. Perhaps they do have something to them as far as driving. I can't say because I've never been in one. But to look at? Only a very few have done anything for me and most of the ones people drool over just look darn ugly to me.
I have to say the Alfa love is something I'll never understand.

Alfa Romeo has built more beautiful cars than almost any other manufacturer (and certainly better than Mazda!). Also, they have one of the best logos in the business, imo.

[Raza]

I just don't get the love. Perhaps they do have something to them as far as driving. I can't say because I've never been in one. But to look at? Only a very few have done anything for me and most of the ones people drool over just look darn ugly to me.
I have to say the Alfa love is something I'll never understand.

I love them.  You and 2o6 are the only ones who don't.  Hmm...

[2o6]

I love them.  You and 2o6 are the only ones who don't.  Hmm...

Since when do I not like Alfa Romeos?


The only Alfa I don't like is the Giuletta, and I'm lukewarm on the MiTo. Otherwise, the 159, 147 and others are sexy

[Raza]

Since when do I not like Alfa Romeos?


The only Alfa I don't like is the Giuletta, and I'm lukewarm on the MiTo. Otherwise, the 159, 147 and others are sexy

Hmm.

[cawimmer430]

You misunderstood.  The fact that it exists is bullshit, he's not saying that it doesn't exist.

My bad. Sorry.

[cawimmer430]

I have to say the Alfa love is something I'll never understand.

It's like the love those Mazda RX guys who love their rotary engines and who also put up with their frequent maintenance needs (higher oil consumption etc.).

The same is true for brands like Alfa Romeo or Citroen. They just manage to captivate their (most) owners. Alfa Romeo has always been an emotional and technologically innovative brand. Before going FWD they offered more advanced and - some say - better balanced driving layouts than even BMW (Many past RWD Alfa Romeos had a longitudinal front engine + transaxle transmission layout).

[Raza]

It's like the love those Mazda RX guys who love their rotary engines and who also put up with their frequent maintenance needs (higher oil consumption etc.).

And terrible gas mileage, the whole no-short-trips-or-the-engine-may-never-start-again thing, the low torque, and lack of reliability. 

[cawimmer430]

And terrible gas mileage, the whole no-short-trips-or-the-engine-may-never-start-again thing, the low torque, and lack of reliability.  

I'm not to informed regarding Mazda rotary engines.

I just hear from many NSU Ro-80 owners that their motors are very reliable now and can be used as daily drivers because modern high-quality seals mean the engine lasts longer and needs less overhauling. Poor fuel economy and high oil consumption remain, though, and are inherent to the rotary engine.

[Onslaught]

Alfa Romeo has built more beautiful cars than almost any other manufacturer (and certainly better than Mazda!). Also, they have one of the best logos in the business, imo.

I never said Mazda made great looking cars. They just make better built cars then Alfa. Sorry, they do nothing for me. A few look great, but most are ugly.

[SVT666]

I just wish they drove as good as they look.

[cawimmer430]

I just wish they drove as good as they look.

Then you need to get this. The Alfa 75. The last RWD Alfa Romeo.

[Onslaught]

It's like the love those Mazda RX guys who love their rotary engines and who also put up with their frequent maintenance needs (higher oil consumption etc.).

The same is true for brands like Alfa Romeo or Citroen. They just manage to captivate their (most) owners. Alfa Romeo has always been an emotional and technologically innovative brand. Before going FWD they offered more advanced and - some say - better balanced driving layouts than even BMW (Many past RWD Alfa Romeos had a longitudinal front engine + transaxle transmission layout).

I have no doubt there's a reason people love them so much. But for many of them it's not because of how they look.

[Onslaught]

To me the 8C is the only one out of those that's good looking. And I'm not in love with it's grille to tell you the truth.

[SVT666]

Then you need to get this. The Alfa 75. The last RWD Alfa Romeo.

That's a perfect example of an ugly car.

[Onslaught]

Yea, if I wanted a shoe box with wheels I'd buy a Volvo.

[SVT666]

To me the 8C is the only one out of those that's good looking. And I'm not in love with it's grille to tell you the truth.

I don't get the love for their sedans.  I really don't.  They are not pretty cars at all.





BUT, I will change my mind if this is really what the next Alfa sedan is going to look like:

[Laconian]

I consider Alfa to be the leader in looks among passenger cars....

The Brera is sublime too.

[cawimmer430]

I don't get the love for their sedans.  I really don't.  They are not pretty cars at all.

In person the 159 is a very handsome and seductive car. I think you need to see it in person to really appreciate it. The wagon version is even better. 

[SVT666]

I consider Alfa to be the leader in looks among passenger cars....

The Brera is sublime too.

This thing?



I completely disagree.

[Onslaught]

Why is this in the luxury section? I don't think of Alfa's when I think of Luxury cars. Unless a really nice tow truck with leather picks one up.