Honda confirms new NSX.

Started by 565, September 14, 2011, 08:46:08 PM

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Payman

Given the CR-Z, I'm reserving my excitement.

Soup DeVille

Quote from: Rockraven on September 14, 2011, 09:09:15 PM
Given the CR-Z, I'm reserving my excitement.

I'm still waiting for a K20 turbo powered CR-Z.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Onslaught

Good. But it won't look as good at the original with the pop up headlamps.

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Raza

Imagine a TL with a spoiler.....new NSX! 

Everything Acura sells is an ugly rebodied Accord.  I can't imagine this will be any different. 
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Northlands

This oughtta be good.  :devil:

I can't see Honda making something that looks nicer than the NSX at this point in time. They just don't have it in them!  :evildude:



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FlatBlackCaddy

So we should see this on showroom floors in the next 5-7 years.

Honda hasn't put out anything good in a while, they better do this one right.

565

Despite all the skepticism I think this car will be epically good.

Honda has a long history of not doing jack squat and them coming out with something well engineered, well built, and generally great.  Before the NSX, Honda didn't have anything to compete with the Nissan Z's, Supras, RX-7s, Starions and then out of nowhere they produce the NSX, changing the game forever for even car makers like Ferrari.  Then Honda went into hiberation for another decade before coming out with the S2000, an affordable and reliable little sports car that also happened to be one of the most pure and electric driving experiences available.

They tend to take their time with things, and don't always have a sports car offering in the line up, but when they put their mind to make a sports car, they do a damn good job of it.

Madman

Honda confirmed there would be a "new" NSX nearly a decade ago.  We're still waiting for it.  This is NOT news, yet it is being presented as if it were.

Message to Honda: screw the vapourware and wake us up when/if you finally have something interesting to show us.  Until then, shut the hell up.
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Cookie Monster

Between the bland and ugly styling of the rest of their lineup, and the letdown of the CR-Z, I'm not looking forward to this. I bet it will be SH-AWD or something with a DSG style transmission (yay no manual :hammerhead: ) with hybrid assist or some other bullshit.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
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2 4 R

Onslaught

Quote from: thecarnut on September 15, 2011, 08:21:57 AM
I bet it will be SH-AWD or something with a DSG style transmission (yay no manual :hammerhead: ) with hybrid assist or some other bullshit.
I'm sure you could make a great car with all of that.

SVT666

You're late to the party Honda.  The new NSX is already being built.  It's called the R8.

2o6

Quote from: SVT666 on September 15, 2011, 10:22:06 AM
You're late to the party Honda.  The new NSX is already being built.  It's called the R8.

Which is just an Audi Gallardo...

SVT666

Quote from: 2o6 on September 15, 2011, 11:00:51 AM
Which is just an Audi Gallardo...
What does that have to do with anything? The R8 is the modern day interpretation of the NSX.  It's easy to live with, it's reliable, it's not the most powerful or anywhere near the fastest, but you can see out of it in all directions, you could DD it without a problem and it looks fantastic.

Raza

Quote from: SVT666 on September 15, 2011, 11:28:50 AM
What does that have to do with anything? The R8 is the modern day interpretation of the NSX.  It's easy to live with, it's reliable, it's not the most powerful or anywhere near the fastest, but you can see out of it in all directions, you could DD it without a problem and it looks fantastic.

I'd be willing to be bet that the Audi R8 is easier to maintain than the NSX was, honestly.  That V8 is out of an RS4, there are fewer specialized parts--at least it seems that way.  The NSX was basically all bespoke.
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SVT666

Quote from: Raza  link=topic=25715.msg1581544#msg1581544 date=1316108529
I'd be willing to be bet that the Audi R8 is easier to maintain than the NSX was, honestly.  That V8 is out of an RS4, there are fewer specialized parts--at least it seems that way.  The NSX was basically all bespoke.
True, but the R8 is the modern NSX and Honda will have to build a spectacular car to build a better NSX than Audi did.

sportyaccordy

Quote from: SVT666 on September 15, 2011, 11:28:50 AM
What does that have to do with anything? The R8 is the modern day interpretation of the NSX.  It's easy to live with, it's reliable, it's not the most powerful or anywhere near the fastest, but you can see out of it in all directions, you could DD it without a problem and it looks fantastic.
Blasphemy, the R8 is a barge, the car you meant to say was the Cayman S

Like the other 10 times Honda said this, I'll believe it when I see it. And if they half ass it rather than build it from the ground up it won't even be worth doing. Imagine if the original NSX were a flipped around 1989 Accord? Makes no sense. I'd rather them continue to make snoremobiles than come back in the game with something weak.

Besides, they still have their motorcycles. CB1000R pls.

heelntoe

Quote from: 2o6 on September 15, 2011, 11:00:51 AM
Which is just an Audi Gallardo...
WTF? you're saying that like it's a bad thing?
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565

Quote from: SVT666 on September 15, 2011, 11:44:29 AM
True, but the R8 is the modern NSX and Honda will have to build a spectacular car to build a better NSX than Audi did.

First off those that think the R8 is anywhere near the reliability of the NSX is kidding themselves.  The NSX was routinely rated as one of the most reliable cars on the planet, and the R8 is an Audi... based off a Lambo... You do the math.  The R8's frequently had minor failures here and there, not to speak of over heating R-tronic clutches and manual gearboxes that wouldn't stay in gear. 

Lets not forget the R8 was introduced nearly 6 years ago, and based off a Lambo introduced nearly 9 years ago.  Even at the time of its introduction, the R8 couldn't really hold it's own in terms of performance against similarly priced cars, relying on refinement and livability to redeem it.

Well the field has massively moved on since that time.  A mere BMW M3 will match a 4.2 R8 in all performance categories and still provide far more useability.  Look at the latest Motortrend. The newest and greatest R8 basically got spanked by the entire field.  I guess that is something that it has in common with the NSX, it was a great car when it was first introduced all those years ago, but now it's woefully out of date.  I would honestly take a Porsche Cayman S over the 4.2 R8, even if they cost the same amount.  The Cayman S sadly has the same straightline performance, with far superior handling and just as much day to day livability.  That's not to even mention the updated GT-R, upcoming Porsche 911, the BMW M3 we mentioned.  With that dinosaur AWD system the R8 is just an understeering, poorly packaged cruiser.

Raza is right about one thing.  The NSX was a clean sheet design, engineered without compromise.  The R8 is a cut and paste project, chassis from an entry Lambo, V8 from an extinct sports sedan, AWD system a decade out of date.

GoCougs

Based on Honda's recent efforts - Pilot, new Civic, and CRZ especially, plus sticking with relatively old engines and drive trains for quite some time - I doubt the new NSX will be the absolute game changer the original was. It will be, however, WAY better than the R8. And yeah, the R8 is not in anyway related conceptually to the original NSX...

Cookie Monster

I'm really hoping that Honda can stick to the NSX's roots and bring out something MR, non hybrid and with at least the option for a real manual.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

Onslaught

R8 = German + Italian
NSX = Japan

I dont' see how an R8 could possible be more or even near as reliable as the NSX. I don't own an NSX but everything I've ever seen about it makes it sound like having an reliable Accord that's also a (for 1990's time) super car.
I know if you need normal maintenance stuff done it cost you. But I'm sure an R8 would cost you too. If they make this car I'm sure it will kick ass. The problem is that "if" part.

SVT666

Quote from: GoCougs on September 15, 2011, 12:52:42 PM
Based on Honda's recent efforts - Pilot, new Civic, and CRZ especially, plus sticking with relatively old engines and drive trains for quite some time - I doubt the new NSX will be the absolute game changer the original was. It will be, however, WAY better than the R8. And yeah, the R8 is not in anyway related conceptually to the original NSX...
You say that as if the R8 sucks, which it doesn't.  It is one of the best mid engined cars ever made.

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Vinsanity

I agree that, intentionally or not, the R8 is like the spiritual successor to the NSX. It's the gentleman's sports car. And I wouldn't be surprised if this next NSX kind of resembled a V6 R8 (SH-AWD, DCT, etc.)

Vinsanity

Quote from: Raza  on September 15, 2011, 11:42:09 AM
I'd be willing to be bet that the Audi R8 is easier to maintain than the NSX was, honestly.  That V8 is out of an RS4, there are fewer specialized parts--at least it seems that way.  The NSX was basically all bespoke.

To be fair, the NSX's engine was derived from the Legend, IIRC. But you're right, for the most part. You can't use Accord parts to make NSX repairs.

sportyaccordy

Quote from: SVT666 on September 15, 2011, 02:24:27 PM
You say that as if the R8 sucks, which it doesn't.  It is one of the best mid engined cars ever made.
But it's not the new NSX. Nowhere near it, not by any measure.

SVT666

Quote from: sportyaccordy on September 15, 2011, 08:08:57 PM
But it's not the new NSX. Nowhere near it, not by any measure.
It is definitely a spiritual successor.