How not to buy a Porsche 911 Turbo

[2o6]

So yes, it does work that way.

No, it doesn't. Paying a fee to have someone bid via proxy versus one actually bidding are two different things.

No no, stupid would be believing something just because you said it.

You're confirming what I was saying: public auctions are common. Dealers are no doubt among the bidders at public auctions, and therefore it is common for people to bid alongside dealers.

And you're wrong. There are more dealer-only auctions than public auctions. Just because dealers MIGHT be at public auctions (and if they are, they likely either don't have an actual dealer's license or they don't generally offer any desirable cars) doesn't mean any guy can walk into a dealer auction and place a bid. It doesn't work that way.

[ifcar]

Why would you assume a dealer skip an auction just because it's open to anyone?

Again, I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. I'm saying everything you've said is based on your own assumptions that you haven't been backing up.

[2o6]

Ifcar, I'm just going to leave this one alone because you simply don't get it, and you've made up in your mind that you're right....on a subject you clearly know nothing about.

[2o6]

The fact is: Dealer auctions far outnumber public auctions.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I like turtles.

[2o6]

I like turtles.

Do you have a statistic to back that up?

[ifcar]

Ifcar, I'm just going to leave this one alone because you simply don't get it, and you've made up in your mind that you're right....on a subject you clearly know nothing about.

You still aren't hearing me: I'm not saying I know. I'm saying I don't know, and I have no reason to believe you do either. You're the one insisting it's the case based on "because I said so" reasoning.

The fact is: Dealer auctions far outnumber public auctions.

There you go again. Facts can be proved, and you aren't proving it.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Do you have a statistic to back that up?

Yes. It is in my ass. Would you like me to pull it out?

[Eye of the Tiger]

You still aren't hearing me: I'm not saying I know. I'm saying I don't know, and I have no reason to believe you do either. You're the one insisting it's the case based on "because I said so" reasoning.

There you go again. Facts can be proved, and you aren't proving it.

The sky is blue. Prove it. No. Shut up, koko.

[2o6]

You still aren't hearing me: I'm not saying I know. I'm saying I don't know, and I have no reason to believe you do either. You're the one insisting it's the case based on "because I said so" reasoning.

There you go again. Facts can be proved, and you aren't proving it.

I guess all dealers get their cars from trade-ins and private owners, then.

[2o6]

There you go again. Facts can be proved, and you aren't proving it.

It's pretty simple logic, all dealers get their cars from auctions.


Only a handful of the public actually buy at auction.


Therefore, there simply NEEDS to be more dealer auctions than public auctions.

[ifcar]

Just because most people don't buy at auction doesn't mean that most people don't have that option available. Nothing stops a dealer from bidding at a public auction.

[Cookie Monster]

What's happening to my thread?

Oh nothing, just ifcar acting on his dislike of 2o6 to try and knock him down a few pegs but actually is coming across as an idiot.

[2o6]

Just because most people don't buy at auction doesn't mean that most people don't have that option available. Nothing stops a dealer from bidding at a public auction.

Since this is a cougs thread, you are falling into the category that is classified as "Strawmanism". Seriously, you're very off base here, and I'm not responding until you figure out how off base you are.

[Secret Chimp]

I don't think anybody cares about this argument and it's certainly less interesting than broken Porsches.

[2o6]

I don't think anybody cares about this argument and it's certainly less interesting than broken Porsches.

It is a pretty vapid argument, but it's annoying how someone can be so arrogantly wrong.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Since this is a cougs thread, you are falling into the category that is classified as "Strawmanism". Seriously, you're very off base here, and I'm not responding until you figure out how off base you are.

Both of you are lacking in the Internety department, today.

[2o6]

Both of you are lacking in the Internety department, today.

Ha, Ha. Try again.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Ha, Ha. Try again.

Ayn Rand would not try again.

[ifcar]

It is a pretty vapid argument, but it's annoying how someone can be so arrogantly wrong.

I'm saying that you don't have facts to support your assertions, and I couldn't be more right.

I'm honestly surprised this has gone this far, though. You made an overgeneralization based on minimal information, and have steadfastly stood by that overgeneralization.

[SVT666]

Girls. Girls. You're both pretty.

[ifcar]

Girls. Girls. You're both pretty.

And I pity any girl that isn't us today.

[2o6]

Girls. Girls. You're both pretty.

But Marsha's always....

I'm saying that you don't have facts to support your assertions, and I couldn't be more right.

I'm honestly surprised this has gone this far, though. You made an overgeneralization based on minimal information, and have steadfastly stood by that overgeneralization.

Next time, I'll quote wikipedia. Will that make you happy?

[GoCougs]

I think 2o6 is right - auctions are for almost entirely for dealers.

[Raza]

I come from a long line of auctioneers, and I don't take any joy in telling you that you're both wrong.  And probably gay.

[Onslaught]

I come from a long line of auctioneers, and I don't take any joy in telling you that you're both wrong.  And probably gay.

You take a little joy from it.

[Cookie Monster]

I come from a long line of auctioneers, and I don't take any joy in telling you that you're both wrong.  And probably gay.

[AutobahnSHO]

What's happening to my thread?

At Carspinia you could own the thread.  this one was stolen. By masked men who demanded it be driven elsewhere. Hijacked even.

[GoCougs]

Update; my friend is back in town and called me yesterday.

A little more info on the car. It's actually an '01 and not an '04. He had the inspection done by the largest Porsche dealer in Dallas. He fought with them but finally got his $200 inspection fee back.

As to the front diff problem, he has taken apart the front end of the car and is convinced it's only a wheel bearing. He says Porsche will not sell parts for the front end of this car (purposefully leave part numbers of the shop manual so he is left with taking things apart and trying to decipher which replacement bearings to buy). Sounds like a scam but he says he's checked with dealers and Innertard forums and this is what he's found. It's probably going to be a half-baked if not make it worse as many home-grown repairs typically go. He also bought a spare front diff online for $1,000 just in case.

As to the oil pressure problem, it's the gauge. With this car if the oil pressure actually does drop it throws a must-reset check engine light. Hasn't happened, plus more often than not the gauge reads 0 psi and the car still runs fine so it does appear to be the gauge.

The car also has a custom exhaust that is basically open pipes. He bought a stock exhaust also online and will install it himself as well.

Note to the world, this is how cars get turned into POSs - half-baked/home-grown repairs that aren't done 100%. He simply doesn't have the right tools to do wheel bearings and exhaust and though the "repair" will make things better it will fall well short of actually Doing it Right. I have to admit I'd don't more than a few POS repairs but those days are long over. It's really hard to do a repair 100% right, and why I'll never buy a car again that has been wrenched on by the former owner.

[SVT666]

He simply doesn't have the right tools to do wheel bearings and exhaust and though the "repair" will make things better it will fall well short of actually Doing it Right. I have to admit I'd don't more than a few POS repairs but those days are long over. It's really hard to do a repair 100% right, and why I'll never buy a car again that has been wrenched on by the former owner.

Doing exhaust requires no special tools Cougs.  In fact, putting an exhaust system on is one of the easier things to do.  With regards to the wheel bearing, if he reassembles everything properly, I also don't see why the repair can't be done properly.