Subaru BRZ concept

[MX793]

$28K is fine if that's fully loaded.  For a base model (unless it comes with a lot of standard goodies), that's pretty steep.

[Onslaught]

Seeing how a RHD Miata will set you back $31,495 with all the good stuff on it I think $28 is great.

[S204STi]

That's an STi concept

lulz

[S204STi]

Waiting on the new WRX myself.  The base 2012 Impreza weighs just about a load of groceries over 3000lbs, so it should be adequately fast and sporty for me, while also hauling shit.  This car is the anti-Subaru, sort of like the SVX.

[Raza]

It's a sad world we live in when sports car people care about gas milage. I've never even thought about it once in my life. Never

Sad to say, my 100+ mile round trip (now about 50) commute was a consideration when I bought my car over an RX-8.  I didn't want to have to gas up three times a week. 

Although now, I am considering getting an older RX-8 to replace the Jetta, as the lower cost will offset the fuel expenditure. 

[Raza]

That's not really cheap! I mean I can take my 8 to a track and beat the snot out of it all day and not need to buy $500 worth of stuff to make that ok.
Not that I'm not a fan of the 370Z. As a mater of fact I really like that car. But I've been reading some negative things about it from people who take
them to the track.

It looks significantly worse than the 350Z and is only marginally better to drive, at best. 

[sportyaccordy]

28K is too much.

When hyundai redoes the genesis it will no doubt offer much more for less(in base form) and probably top spec as well.

Even subaru would offer a no brainer competitor in the base wrx.

Also, the modification thing is BS. How will a N/A 2.0 take to modifications well?

Would it be like a honda, for 2K I should be able to coax 20-30HP out of it. Awesome.

Hey now, the K20Z is good for like 30HP with just a reflash. But it does have DOHC i-VTEC.

I don't see what the big deal is with HP. How often are you able to tap into all the horsepower your Z06 has? You are probably more able to make use of its low end torque. Shit even on my bike I rarely tap into all its power (though admittedly I do get pretty close pretty often). Obv this thing won't be a tree stump puller but if its motor is responsive at all revs it should be fine. The Miata doesn't need 200000 HP to be fun. The AE86 damn sure didn't need much HP to be fun. The OG M3 (which this is very close to in spec) didn't need much HP to be fun. I for one am glad this thing is moving away from the mindless dick swinging trend. Sometimes less is more.

[Onslaught]

Sad to say, my 100+ mile round trip (now about 50) commute was a consideration when I bought my car over an RX-8.  I didn't want to have to gas up three times a week. 

Although now, I am considering getting an older RX-8 to replace the Jetta, as the lower cost will offset the fuel expenditure. 

I can understand that if you drive 100+ Miles a day it would be in consideration. But If I had to drive 100+ miles a day and new job would be too.

It looks significantly worse than the 350Z and is only marginally better to drive, at best. 

I think the 350 Z is ugly as hell. And the 370 looks much better. I have spoken. It is law.

[565]

Guys, the subaru version is supposed to be turbocharged.  Everything I read said this "STI" version is supposed to be just a hair under 300 hp...

You are behind the times, those turbo rumors for the subie were killed months ago. Everyone including Subaru says 2.0 200ish hp na motor

[Raza]

I can understand that if you drive 100+ Miles a day it would be in consideration. But If I had to drive 100+ miles a day and new job would be too.
I think the 350 Z is ugly as hell. And the 370 looks much better. I have spoken. It is law.

The 350Z is much better looking.  If you disagree, you're stupid and you're gay. 

But rejoice!  This gayness cancels out the gayness from not liking the PS3 controller, so you're just stupid.   

[sportyaccordy]

I can understand that if you drive 100+ Miles a day it would be in consideration.

But I thought people who bought sports cars weren't supposed to make those kinds of considerations.

[68_427]

But I thought people who bought sports cars weren't supposed to make those kinds of considerations.

The Boxster was a fluke.

[Raza]

The Boxster was a fluke.

The Boxster S was rated at 28mpg highway.  RX-8 is 24.  It's actually not that bad, but I hear real world was significantly lower. 

[SVT666]

The Boxster S was rated at 28mpg highway.  RX-8 is 24.  It's actually not that bad, but I hear real world was significantly lower. 

RX-8 is 16/22 mpg with real world averaging 17 mpg combined.  That's barely better than my Explorer.

[r0tor]

My new engine gets 20mpg combined -shrug-

[68_427]

My new engine gets 20mpg combined -shrug-

This is the same if not better than what I get with my 160hp...

[68_427]

The Boxster S was rated at 28mpg highway.  RX-8 is 24.  It's actually not that bad, but I hear real world was significantly lower. 

I meant it more as you're not a sportscar buyer. 

[NomisR]

My sports car has better mpg than most of your daily drivers! 

[2o6]

I don't think the output is the problem, ~200HP and 2600lbs is similar performance numbers to a Miata.



It's the price that sucks. At 28K, that is not enough performance for what you pay for.

[Onslaught]

But I thought people who bought sports cars weren't supposed to make those kinds of considerations.

Most people would never drive 100+ a day for a job. And if they did they wouldn't look at any kind of sports car at all.

I'd still drive and RX-8 if I had to drive to work that far. But gas wouldn't be the thing that pissed me off. Tires on any sports car would be gone fast with that kind of drive everyday,

[Onslaught]

The 350Z is much better looking.  I

The 350Z is ugly inside and out. It sucks.

[SVT666]

No contest.

[Onslaught]

Yep, the 370 looks so much better. Take off the dumb door handle and it look even better.
And the interior is 10 times better in the 370.

[SVT666]

I agree.

[Raza]

Ugh, the stupid rear haunch, the ridiculous quarter windows, those Pokemon eye headlamps, and that overly pointy nose.  The 370 looks like ass.

[MX793]

Ugh, the stupid rear haunch, the ridiculous quarter windows, those Pokemon eye headlamps, and that overly pointy nose.  The 370 looks like ass.

The rear haunch is pretty much the same between the 350 and 370.  The only difference is that the 370 has less rear overhang and they made the hatch go all the way to the back of the car (like the original Zs) instead of having that small bit of horizontal rear deck protruding out of the back (which always looked a little awkward to me).  The quarter windows on the 370 are a throwback to the original 240Z.

[2o6]

I think it's the oddly shaped, lack of greenhouse that ruins the 370Z. The fender haunches are far too exaggerated for my tastes; makes the car look visually fat.

[sportyaccordy]

Both cars' designs are victims of compromise. You can't make a good looking sports car with the shoulder height of an SUV. I'm not nuts about either design. And dynamically the 350Z was a little off the mark. Def not my pick of that litter (S2K, Z, RX-8, Rustang etc)

[CALL_911]

I'm not in love with the 370Z's styling, but I absolutely love the way the 350Z looked. If it weren't for the fact that 97% of 350Zs on the road are riced, I'd say the design aged rather well too.

That said, the S2000's my pick of that group.

[Raza]

Both cars' designs are victims of compromise. You can't make a good looking sports car with the shoulder height of an SUV. I'm not nuts about either design. And dynamically the 350Z was a little off the mark. Def not my pick of that litter (S2K, Z, RX-8, Rustang etc)

On looks, I'd probably take the 350Z.  The S2000 was likely the best to drive, the RX-8 the best to live with, and the Mustang not even worth mentioning (back in 2003).  The 350Z was always a little to disconnected to get me truly excited about, but it was a good car.  I'd be happy with any one of the three.