UPDATE: 2-0 on tickets

[GoCougs]

Standing; you said it.


Standing
noun

A party?s legal right to challenge the conduct of another party in a legal proceeding.



This one was mysteriously dismissed in such a way that your lawyer will not even tell you about it, you have yet another, and if you intend to challenge on standing, you should be doing some research right about now.

I meant "standing" in a colloquial sense, and was an answer to someone's questioning of why I think it ridiculous for a city LE to patrol interstate HOV lanes. They have no business doing such a thing even if the law says they can; the only reason to do so is revenue generation.

Uh, I challenge on nothing - I hire the experts and let them win for me. 

[Onslaught]

Sounds like you shouldn't had got away with it. You're in the wrong.

[dazzleman]

Sounds like you shouldn't had got away with it. You're in the wrong.

That's completely clear.

But he spent a lot more on lawyers than hea.d have paid in fines.  It's all pretty comical.

[hounddog]

I meant "standing" in a colloquial sense, and was an answer to someone's questioning of why I think it ridiculous for a city LE to patrol interstate HOV lanes. They have no business doing such a thing even if the law says they can; the only reason to do so is revenue generation.

Standing = authority = business 

But, still, fair enough. 

Uh, I challenge on nothing - I hire the experts and let them win for me. 

ok

[GoCougs]

Sounds like you shouldn't had got away with it. You're in the wrong.

I will defend myself against any and all BS no matter the cost...

"Deservin's got nothin' to do with it."

[Onslaught]

I will defend myself against any and all BS no matter the cost...

"Deservin's got nothin' to do with it."

How can you defend yourself when you're in the wrong? If you don't like the rules then you're SOL. The world doesn't revolve around Cougs. Not even your ego has that much of a gravitational pull.

[CALL_911]

Speeding? Did you race the officer's car to prove to him that the Accord V6 is t3h pwn?

[bing_oh]

How can you defend yourself when you're in the wrong? If you don't like the rules then you're SOL. The world doesn't revolve around Cougs. Not even your ego has that much of a gravitational pull.

Dunno...it's an awfully big ego.

[bing_oh]

I meant "standing" in a colloquial sense, and was an answer to someone's questioning of why I think it ridiculous for a city LE to patrol interstate HOV lanes. They have no business doing such a thing even if the law says they can; the only reason to do so is revenue generation.

They have every right...or "business," if you prefer...enforcing the law within their jurisdiction. Doesn't matter if you don't happen to like that particular law.

Oh, and even though we've gone over this ad nauseum in the past, tickets don't really collect revenue for most cities. The vast majority of the ticket cost goes to the state and the court, not the PD. The miniscule amount they do make doesn't even come close to paying for the officer's gas to do enforcement, let alone his salary.

[GoCougs]

How can you defend yourself when you're in the wrong? If you don't like the rules then you're SOL. The world doesn't revolve around Cougs. Not even your ego has that much of a gravitational pull.

Is that a trick question? Ego has nothing to do with it. If I don't like the rules I break them and then try to get out of the consequences.

No, the world doesn't revolve around me but I'll be goddamned if I'll just sit there and let its BS go unchallenged.

[GoCougs]

Speeding? Did you race the officer's car to prove to him that the Accord V6 is t3h pwn?

Said Accord is quicker tmost anything local LE drives (Crown Vics, Impalas, Tahoes), so it was not necessary.

[GoCougs]

They have every right...or "business," if you prefer...enforcing the law within their jurisdiction. Doesn't matter if you don't happen to like that particular law.

Oh, and even though we've gone over this ad nauseum in the past, tickets don't really collect revenue for most cities. The vast majority of the ticket cost goes to the state and the court, not the PD. The miniscule amount they do make doesn't even come close to paying for the officer's gas to do enforcement, let alone his salary.

I fully believe that in most cases tickets are not revenue generators. I've said as much many many times here. This case unfortunately is not one of them. City has no business on the interstate HOV. At best said LEO was simply bored (that particular city is a very expensive zip code and has very little crime).

[Byteme]

Is that a trick question? Ego has nothing to do with it. If I don't like the rules I break them and then try to get out of the consequences.

No, the world doesn't revolve around me but I'll be goddamned if I'll just sit there and let its BS go unchallenged.

Well, it's certainly your choice, but paying $850 to contest a $95 dollar ticket is pretty stupid, IMHO.   


Not that I even believe you.   

[Tave]

Does her bill include a breakdown of court fees?

[GoCougs]

Does her bill include a breakdown of court fees?

Haven't seen it yet. She said she just mailed it along with the official court documents.

[GoCougs]

Well, it's certainly your choice, but paying $850 to contest a $95 dollar ticket is pretty stupid, IMHO.   


Not that I even believe you.   

Not stupid - prudent. Rack up enough tickets in a certain period and you end up with an SR-22 filing in my state, which means a 2-4x insurance price increase.

Nah, I gotcha, if I were in your shoes I'd want to resist believing me too.

[bing_oh]

I fully believe that in most cases tickets are not revenue generators. I've said as much many many times here. This case unfortunately is not one of them. City has no business on the interstate HOV. At best said LEO was simply bored (that particular city is a very expensive zip code and has very little crime).

Again, your not liking a particular law doesn't mean that the local jurisdiction "has no business" enforcing it. Just be honest, come out and say that you got busted, and you're miffed about it.

[bing_oh]

Not stupid - prudent. Rack up enough tickets in a certain period and you end up with an SR-22 filing in my state, which means a 2-4x insurance price increase.

Nah, I gotcha, if I were in your shoes I'd want to resist believing me too.

If you honestly paid $850 to get out of a HOV ticket, I'd have to agree with John that you definitely lost. That's more than most DUI's in my area!

[GoCougs]

Again, your not liking a particular law doesn't mean that the local jurisdiction "has no business" enforcing it. Just be honest, come out and say that you got busted, and you're miffed about it.

City police should have better things to do than patrol interstate HOV lanes. If they don't have better things to do, fire them, as said city has too many LEOs.

Of course I got busted. I'm don't think I'm miffed though. I will simply fight what I consider a broken system (traffic enforcement), and so far so good.

[GoCougs]

If you honestly paid $850 to get out of a HOV ticket, I'd have to agree with John that you definitely lost. That's more than most DUI's in my area!

The HOV ticket was $350. The speeding ticket, which happened way over on the other side of the state, is $850.

That a DUI charge is less than $850 is proof positive that the (your) system is broken. LOL - you turkeys drone on with    bitterness of me getting out of an HOV ticket while true traffic atrocities, like the pansy approach to DUI (i.e., lax consequences, which I know is not a LE area), drones on unabated. Nothing proves my point further.

I drive how I want when I want with little worry than any sort of traffic infraction will stick; I drive mostly absent the fear of the state. Sounds like win to me.

[SVT666]

The HOV ticket was $350. The speeding ticket, which happened way over on the other side of the state, is $850.

That a DUI charge is less than $850 is proof positive that the (your) system is broken. LOL - you turkeys drone on with    bitterness of me getting out of an HOV ticket while true traffic atrocities, like the pansy approach to DUI (i.e., lax consequences, which I know is not a LE area), drones on unabated. Nothing proves my point further.

I drive how I want when I want with little worry than any sort of traffic infraction will stick; I drive mostly absent the fear of the state. Sounds like win to me.

Absent of fear?  Absent of cash more like.

[hounddog]

They have every right...or "business," if you prefer...enforcing the law within their jurisdiction. Doesn't matter if you don't happen to like that particular law.

Oh, and even though we've gone over this ad nauseum in the past, tickets don't really collect revenue for most cities. The vast majority of the ticket cost goes to the state and the court, not the PD. The miniscule amount they do make doesn't even come close to paying for the officer's gas to do enforcement, let alone his salary.

I honestly do not think Cougs fully comprehends standing, Bing.  Not his fault, however, as most people do not.

How many times have I said it;  KNOW your rights not THINK you know your rights.

[2o6]

OTOH, I would love to be his lawyer. Steady work for doing pretty much nothing at all.

[bing_oh]

OTOH, I would love to be his lawyer. Steady work for doing pretty much nothing at all.

Geeze, you ain't kidding. That kind of cash to get people off of traffic tickets?! It's no wonder this country is overrun with lawyers.

[bing_oh]

The HOV ticket was $350. The speeding ticket, which happened way over on the other side of the state, is $850.

That's $1200 to fight and "win" what would have costed you, what, $200 in fines? I could think of alot better ways to spend that extra grand, but you must be better paid than I am.

That a DUI charge is less than $850 is proof positive that the (your) system is broken. LOL - you turkeys drone on with    bitterness of me getting out of an HOV ticket while true traffic atrocities, like the pansy approach to DUI (i.e., lax consequences, which I know is not a LE area), drones on unabated. Nothing proves my point further.

I drive how I want when I want with little worry than any sort of traffic infraction will stick; I drive mostly absent the fear of the state. Sounds like win to me.

I didn't know it was "my system."

There's no bitterness about you "getting out of" () your ticket. It's more utter disbelief that you think you're getting away with something by paying outrageous amounts of money to get minor traffic citations dismissed. You somehow think you're walking away without consequences, while you're actually being punished even more severely than other people facing the same violations...all of your own volition.

As for the minor consequences for DUI's in my area, I agree...but that's my fine elected judge, not local LE. But that doesn't prove your point at all.

[hounddog]

you turkeys

Have you spoken to anyone younger than 40 in the last, say, 15 years?

[GoCougs]

OTOH, I would love to be his lawyer. Steady work for doing pretty much nothing at all.

Did you re-enroll?

[GoCougs]

Absent of fear?  Absent of cash more like.

I win.

[GoCougs]

That's $1200 to fight and "win" what would have costed you, what, $200 in fines? I could think of alot better ways to spend that extra grand, but you must be better paid than I am.

I didn't know it was "my system."

There's no bitterness about you "getting out of" () your ticket. It's more utter disbelief that you think you're getting away with something by paying outrageous amounts of money to get minor traffic citations dismissed. You somehow think you're walking away without consequences, while you're actually being punished even more severely than other people facing the same violations...all of your own volition.

As for the minor consequences for DUI's in my area, I agree...but that's my fine elected judge, not local LE. But that doesn't prove your point at all.

I win.

[SVT666]

I win.

Keep telling yourself that.