Updated Hyundai Genesis road tests

[SVT32V]

The Genesis has a weight distribution of 55/45 with the V6... the V8 would definitely make it nose heavier than any of its competitors (M3: 51/49, Mustang GT: 53/47, Camaro: 52/48), unless they did some extensive weight reduction on the nose (i.e. an all aluminum front...$$$$$$$$$$). I like the idea of the V8 too, hell I suggested they replace the V6 with the V8 and bump up the power in the 4 pot long ago, but now that I know how nose heavy it is I'm not so sure thats a good idea. It could wind up being like the 1st GT500.

I doubt it, the difference in weight between the V6 sedan and 5.0R is less than 150 lbs, and changes weight distritibution 1%. If hyundai can't make some changes to save some weight over the front and suspension tuning they would be incompetent, and they are not.

[sportyaccordy]

The V6 sedan is a good 500# heavier than the coupe which lessens the impact of the extra weight of the V8. Not to mention they did not engineer the car to deal with the weight or loads of the V8, so at the minimum they would probably have to beef up, not lighten, the front end. But even w/o that, an extra 100# on the nose would bring the front weight % from 55 to 58. Can you name any RWD sports cars with that kind of balance that are heralded for their handling?

[GoCougs]

The pinnacle of automobiledom is a 0-60 in 7 sec. with lots of "steering feel" and "turn-in."

[Cookie Monster]

The V6 sedan is a good 500# heavier than the coupe which lessens the impact of the extra weight of the V8. Not to mention they did not engineer the car to deal with the weight or loads of the V8, so at the minimum they would probably have to beef up, not lighten, the front end. But even w/o that, an extra 100# on the nose would bring the front weight % from 55 to 58. Can you name any RWD sports cars with that kind of balance that are heralded for their handling?

Who cares about handling, you're not supposed to have fun on the street anyways. Weight distribution doesn't add anything to the driving experience, it's all just about bragging rights and ego.

[giant_mtb]

The pinnacle of automobiledom is a 0-60 in 7 sec. with lots of "steering feel" and "turn-in."

So, Accords?  Wait, no, those have undesirable weight distribution...according to, ahem, sportyaccordy.

[sportyaccordy]

The pinnacle of automobiledom is a 0-60 in 7 sec. with lots of "steering feel" and "turn-in."

No, the pinnacle is a family sedan with far more horsepower than chassis that enables a dude to take out his frustrations on folks bold enough to buy something more exotic than a Camry V6 through "traffic light dominance". Also, congrats on your strawman.

Who cares about handling, you're not supposed to have fun on the street anyways. Weight distribution doesn't add anything to the driving experience, it's all just about bragging rights and ego.

So, Accords?  Wait, no, those have undesirable weight distribution...according to, ahem, sportyaccordy.

This is pretty sad. 1, yes, one shouldn't be pushing their cars to the point that balance or understeer is an issue on public streets. 2, people do track these cars, and this car competes with other performance cars, so balance is a valid concern. 3, its not my fault you are angry I legitimately called you out on your reckless street driving values, or that your egos are way bigger than your driving abilities, or that you are so emotionally invested in false premises and operations of companies that make cars nobody here will ever buy. Take control of your emotions, for your own sake. This is embarrassing.

[GoCougs]

So, Accords?  Wait, no, those have undesirable weight distribution...according to, ahem, sportyaccordy.

Abominable weight distribution - how Accords manage to stay on the road is a miracle. Thankfully the V6 versions can manage 0-60 in the 6 sec. range, which is all that really counts.

[GoCougs]

No, the pinnacle is a family sedan with far more horsepower than chassis that enables a dude to take out his frustrations on folks bold enough to buy something more exotic than a Camry V6 through "traffic light dominance". Also, congrats on your strawman.

It runs pretty good on the freeway too; wouldn't exactly say "dominate" but there's been more than a few WRXs, GTIs, lesser 3ers, etc., that've done got Accord'd.

[MX793]

It runs pretty good on the freeway too; wouldn't exactly say "dominate" but there's been more than a few WRXs, GTIs, lesser 3ers, etc., that've done got Accord'd.

A couple of years back, some moron in an Accord was tailgating me on the non-twisty bit of one of my favorite roads.  Hit the twisty part of the road and I watched in the rearview as his car just plowed into the oncoming lane in the very first bend (thankfully there was no oncoming traffic).  Didn't see him again in my rear view after that first bend until I had to slow up for a 30 mph zone in a town a few miles up the way.  Road had straightened out by then and said idiot came flying up behind me at about 50 mph.

[sportyaccordy]

And obviously FWD cars can't be held to the same standard, balance wise. Plus with their power levels & weights it doesn't matter anyway. 400HP FWD cars aren't good for much more than highway pulls.

It runs pretty good on the freeway too; wouldn't exactly say "dominate" but there's been more than a few WRXs, GTIs, lesser 3ers, etc., that've done got Accord'd.

A bad driver would get "Accord'd" in a Nissan GT-R. At the end of the day you drive a 15 second car. In a controlled environment against experienced drivers (i.e. a dragstrip), physics would trump all. Something tells me many of your "victims" were not even aware they were racing.

[Rich]

I like money.

[sportyaccordy]

A couple of years back, some moron in an Accord was tailgating me on the non-twisty bit of one of my favorite roads.  Hit the twisty part of the road and I watched in the rearview as his car just plowed into the oncoming lane in the very first bend (thankfully there was no oncoming traffic).  Didn't see him again in my rear view after that first bend until I had to slow up for a 30 mph zone in a town a few miles up the way.  Road had straightened out by then and said idiot came flying up behind me at about 50 mph.

Were you in the PNW? You might have just been "Accord'd".

[Eye of the Tiger]

A couple of years back, some moron in an Accord was tailgating me on the non-twisty bit of one of my favorite roads.  Hit the twisty part of the road and I watched in the rearview as his car just plowed into the oncoming lane in the very first bend (thankfully there was no oncoming traffic).  Didn't see him again in my rear view after that first bend until I had to slow up for a 30 mph zone in a town a few miles up the way.  Road had straightened out by then and said idiot came flying up behind me at about 50 mph.

On the other hand, there was that time I was driving my Hertz Corvette through a twisty mountain road in western Nevada, and I just couldn't shake the white Ford Ranger behind me. I was probably pushing 6/10ths of the Vette's capability, since I was both unfamiliar with the car and the road. Meanwhile, I see the Ranger in my mirror, hanging his tail end out exiting the curves. Damn that guy!

[giant_mtb]

This is pretty sad. 1, yes, one shouldn't be pushing their cars to the point that balance or understeer is an issue on public streets. 2, people do track these cars, and this car competes with other performance cars, so balance is a valid concern. 3, its not my fault you are angry I legitimately called you out on your reckless street driving values, or that your egos are way bigger than your driving abilities, or that you are so emotionally invested in false premises and operations of companies that make cars nobody here will ever buy. Take control of your emotions, for your own sake. This is embarrassing.

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[Cookie Monster]

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Gold.  Bait chomped.

[GoCougs]

Were you in the PNW? You might have just been "Accord'd".

I Accord'd Mazda 3s on a weekly basis.

[Onslaught]

I Accord'd Mazda 3s on a weekly basis.

Mazdaspeed ones?

[AutobahnSHO]

Pfft. I Sienna a whole lotta cars on a weekly basis. The last couple years a lot of people have become more "drive softly to save gas" conscious. If anyone were really racing you then there wouldn't be so much "Accord-ding" going on..

(Oh and there are a couple corners around here where people get Subaru'd on a daily basis.)

[CALL_911]

It runs pretty good on the freeway too; wouldn't exactly say "dominate" but there's been more than a few WRXs, GTIs, lesser 3ers, etc., that've done got Accord'd.

Funny, I recently GTI'd a V6 7th gen Accord coupe on the drive to school.

On another note, I fucking hate Accord/Altima coupes. They're every bit as dull as an Accord sedan, with the usefulness decreased. This is coming from someone who likes Accord sedans.

[SVT32V]

The V6 sedan is a good 500# heavier than the coupe which lessens the impact of the extra weight of the V8. Not to mention they did not engineer the car to deal with the weight or loads of the V8, so at the minimum they would probably have to beef up, not lighten, the front end. But even w/o that, an extra 100# on the nose would bring the front weight % from 55 to 58. Can you name any RWD sports cars with that kind of balance that are heralded for their handling?

The engine will still weigh within 100 lbs of the v6, slapping the battery and a few other bits in the back while using more aluminum up front can more than make up the difference.

Yes, the '03 cobra was a good handler with particularly poor weight distribution and plenty of front heavy fwd/awd cars can manage to handle well with horrible weight bias.

Besides not all cars have to be stellar handlers, some can just be acceleration monsters more than handlers. Beyond that, it would not be such a hard problem for the hyundai engineers to solve.

[SVT32V]

Who cares about handling, you're not supposed to have fun on the street anyways. Weight distribution doesn't add anything to the driving experience, it's all just about bragging rights and ego.

Right, acceleration is meaningless starting out faster than anything a honda fit can do is dangerous on the street and unless you have perfect weight distribution you will plow into the first car that comes near you.

[GoCougs]

Mazdaspeed ones?

What do you think?

[GoCougs]

Funny, I recently GTI'd a V6 7th gen Accord coupe on the drive to school.

On another note, I fucking hate Accord/Altima coupes. They're every bit as dull as an Accord sedan, with the usefulness decreased. This is coming from someone who likes Accord sedans.

Cool - got lucky in that the 7th gen V6 coupe (w/MT) is a bit quicker car...

I really liked the 7th gen Accord coupe - almost bought one instead of the sedan. Not a huge fan of the 8th gen coupe, but still a good a performer, useful, and most importantly, unmatched reliability in the segment/performance range.