BRZ gets slammed by EVO and comes in last in comparo...

[Soup DeVille]

I forget... is that why you had an S2000 and don't have an S2000?

No. I sold the S2000 becuase of financial and offspring reasons.

However, the new owner promptly destroyed it because of that reason.


Not to say I didn't have the back end step out on me a few times when I owned it, but i never stuffed it into a bridge abutment either.

[CALL_911]

I'm an adult, I want to drive a car made for adults, not one marketed to the sideways hat crowd. 

I'd hope adults are mature enough to see a fantastic car for what it is, as opposed to the badge it wears.

That said, I see your point. I'd still go for the FR-S over the BRZ.

[Raza]

I'd hope adults are mature enough to see a fantastic car for what it is, as opposed to the badge it wears.

That said, I see your point. I'd still go for the FR-S over the BRZ.

Unfortunately, the badge your car wears is much like the clothes you wear.  It says things to people.  Usually, I don't mind a message unless it's far too loud and too far from what I'd like it say.  It makes me shallow on a level, I admit that.  But everyone is, whether or not they admit it.

[Rupert]

The looks I get when I say I drive a Porsche are most often disgusted. Cracks me up.

[CALL_911]

FWIW, one of my best friends' dad drives an '07 Civic Si. He's a 57 year old Yale educated oncologist.

[Eye of the Tiger]

FWIW, one of my best friends' dad drives an '07 Civic Si. He's a 57 year old Yale educated oncologist.

r1c30r

[280Z Turbo]

Yeah, but the gravel people also want AWD.  This isn't for Subaru nuts.

Michigan roads are almost gravel anyway.

I probably will buy the Scion, but I wish it was a Toyota. Although I like the front fascia and rear lamps on the BRZ better.

[sportyaccordy]

Unfortunately, the badge your car wears is much like the clothes you wear.  It says things to people.  Usually, I don't mind a message unless it's far too loud and too far from what I'd like it say.  It makes me shallow on a level, I admit that.  But everyone is, whether or not they admit it.

The average person doesn't know a Panamera from a Peugeot

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Michigan roads are almost gravel anyway.

I probably will buy the Scion, but I wish it was a Toyota. Although I like the front fascia and rear lamps on the BRZ better.

I like the styling of the Subaru also. That would be my choice if I was spending my money on one.

[Cookie Monster]

Unfortunately, the badge your car wears is much like the clothes you wear.  It says things to people.  Usually, I don't mind a message unless it's far too loud and too far from what I'd like it say.  It makes me shallow on a level, I admit that.  But everyone is, whether or not they admit it.

95% of people aren't going to give two shits about the badge or what you drive, if it's not an expensive luxury car or supercar. Even less people are going to know the difference between the BRZ and FRS. And even less people are going to know the difference between the two visually from far away.

It really doesn't matter if people see you in a Scion, because no one is going to give a crap.

[Soup DeVille]

Unfortunately, the badge your car wears is much like the clothes you wear.  It says things to people.  Usually, I don't mind a message unless it's far too loud and too far from what I'd like it say.  It makes me shallow on a level, I admit that.  But everyone is, whether or not they admit it.

As far as snob appeal goes, Toyota, Scion and Subaru are all pretty much on the same level- ordinary cars.

[Soup DeVille]

Yeah, but the gravel people also want AWD.  This isn't for Subaru nuts.

Subaru already has plenty of AWD cars for them.

[S204STi]

As far as snob appeal goes, Toyota, Scion and Subaru are all pretty much on the same level- ordinary cars.

I'd say that, 'round here at least, Subaru has infinitely more street cred than either Toyota brand.

[Soup DeVille]

I'd say that, 'round here at least, Subaru has infinitely more street cred than either Toyota brand.

I said snob appeal, not street cred.

I stopped worrying about street cred once I took the stickers off of my ball cap and bought a belt so I pants didn't sag down to mid thigh.

[S204STi]

I suppose I should clarify that too; lots of the yuppy set around here buy either BMW, Audi, or Subaru.  (Yuppies, to clarify, are the young wealthy set, definitely more into collared shirts than saggy pants).

[Soup DeVille]

I suppose I should clarify that too; lots of the yuppy set around here buy either BMW, Audi, or Subaru.  (Yuppies, to clarify, are the young wealthy set, definitely more into collared shirts than saggy pants).

Yuppies buying Subarus?

And they aren't lesbians?

[S204STi]

Yes and no.

[Raza]

The average person doesn't know a Panamera from a Peugeot

The average person is none of my concern. 

[68_427]

Tons of Subarus in the wealthy areas around here.  Doctors and dentists love them.

[280Z Turbo]

The average person is none of my concern. 

I get the feeling that Scion dealerships have dubstep on the radio (or whatever kids listen to nowadays). The salesmen wear cuffed up skinny jeans with loafers and no socks. Maybe they fist bump you when you walk in the door. I don't know. A car brand for children is asinine.

[Laconian]

Tons of Subarus in the wealthy areas around here.  Doctors and dentists love them.

+1 with the outdoorsy engineer types here.

[Rupert]

The average person doesn't know a Panamera from a Peugeot

But the average person knows what BMW and Porsche are, and they probably have an opinion of the people who drive them.

[ifcar]

I get the feeling that Scion dealerships have dubstep on the radio (or whatever kids listen to nowadays). The salesmen wear cuffed up skinny jeans with loafers and no socks. Maybe they fist bump you when you walk in the door. I don't know. A car brand for children is asinine.

A Scion dealership is just a corner of a Toyota dealership with more modern furniture.

[omicron]

It almost sounds like Subaru isn't quite up to speed with its rear-drive education. I look forward to the local tests to see what SubOz have made of the Bzzzzz, and how it compares to the 86. The Toyota has always been my preferred variant, but I wonder if the apparent clear differences between the two in overseas markets are maintained in Australia.

[S204STi]

The average person is none of my concern. 

winSPIN

[Eye of the Tiger]

But the average person knows what BMW and Porsche are, and they probably have an opinion of the people who drive them.

Pricks

[GoCougs]

Down with the Everyman.

[sportyaccordy]

But the average person knows what BMW and Porsche are, and they probably have an opinion of the people who drive them.

Buying a car in the hopes of impressing people who know nothing about you is ridiculous.

I can understand if you work in a field where you have to drive clients around a lot. But for the avg Joe Blow who gives a shit? My next car is gonna be cheap and fun to drive, and thats gonna be the end of it.

[sportyaccordy]

The average person is none of my concern. 

Then who is of your concern?

[Payman]

I don't want a Scion which is a Toyota which has a Subaru engine. I want a Subaru with a Subaru engine.