Interesting counterpoint on the ATS

[sportyaccordy]

The "English"?

Yea, Jag has the best interiors in the business

Should he have said the Indians and Germans instead?

Did something get lost in translation here

[2o6]

Forgot Jaguar existed.



First thought came to mind was Roewe.

[sportyaccordy]

Forgot Jaguar existed.



First thought came to mind was Roewe.

ROEWE?????????????????????????

[Xer0]

Looking forward to that. Shame they cheaped out to the point you can detect it. They need these cars to be winners.

I don?t think the XTS is meant to be a permanent model in Cadillac?s lineup but more of a stop-gap until a true flagship comes out.  At least for their sake I hope so.

[MrH]

I saw/sat in an XTS today.  I'll save a full review for when I have time, but my most immediate thoughts are:

- It's not as ill proportioned as I thought it would be.  Pictures led me to believe it would suffer from the same bloat that the Lincoln MKS does, and that the super short nose would look silly.  From the side, it's not too bad, but looking at it from the front 3/4ths isn't terribly flattering.  The same goes for the rear.  It was, however, better than expected.  I suspect the smallish, cheap looking wheels took away from the overall effect.  The 20's I've seen in press photos look much better.

- The interior isn't that special once you get past the center stack and the TFT instrument cluster.  Everything at eye level - air vents, center console, the dash, door pulls, etc look and feel great, but it's evident they cheeped out on everything below your thighs.  It's almost as if they went to Gucci for  the top half, and Ikea for the bottom.  The seats just felt weird, they could use a few extra inches of padding all around, and the seat controls felt like they came straight out of an old TrailBlazer.  Other details bothered me too.  The hooks for the rear sunshades, for example, were a cheap and visible blemish on the doors, and the overhead console looked and felt second rate.

It's frustrating to see, really.  It's like they spent countless hours getting the big details right (the overall design, the slick infotainment system, etc) then got lazy and said "to hell with it" when faced with designing the small things.  It's what puts the Germans, English and Japanese in a class above this - they get it all right, not just the big details.

Is it a bad car?  Not at all, and FWIW, I didn't drive it, but it was a mixture of fantastic visual stimuli and numerous, small letdowns.  I may be able to drive one next week, so I'll post a more extensive review then. 

You...uh... want to bother explaining why it was so cheap?

Or is this just like how the materials looked cheap on the 3D rendering?

[Raza]

Ikea has some nice stuff.

[sportyaccordy]

I just read in Bloomberg Business Weekly how some movers refuse to guarantee safe passage for Ikea furniture. They should just make it out of granola, so after the year or so of functionality it gives you can eat it.

[TurboDan]

Did something get lost in translation here

I think he's referring to the fact that Tata Motors (an Indian company) owns a majority stake in Jag at the moment. It's still a British-run company, though. I don't believe Tata has much to do with the operational aspects of the business on a day-to-day basis.

[SVT666]

I just read in Bloomberg Business Weekly how some movers refuse to guarantee safe passage for Ikea furniture. They should just make it out of granola, so after the year or so of functionality it gives you can eat it.

I don't know, we have some Ikea stuff that we had for about 10 years or so and it's still as good as the day we bought it.

[SVT666]

Forgot Jaguar existed.



First thought came to mind was Roewe.

What?  Roewe?  Jaguar, Aston Martin, and Land Rover didn't come to mind?

[68_427]

You...uh... want to bother explaining why it was so cheap?

Or is this just like how the materials looked cheap on the 3D rendering?

He does drive a Jag XJ...

[Raza]

I just read in Bloomberg Business Weekly how some movers refuse to guarantee safe passage for Ikea furniture. They should just make it out of granola, so after the year or so of functionality it gives you can eat it.

I've had my stuff for a year and a half.  Other than the hardware on my bed falling out on one side (I just removed it, much happier now sleeping lower anyway) and a dropped watch putting a divot in my coffee table, it's all holding up fine.  It looks good and was cheap (although it must be said I didn't get my sofas or mattress from there), so who cares that it's particle board and a veneer?  I'm a man; should I ever enter a serious relationship, the chick will throw out all my shit anyway, buy throw pillows, tea lights, and potpourri. 

[2o6]

ROEWE?????????????????????????

Yeah, which is why I was going to ask what planet he is on if he think a Roewe is better than a Cadillac.

[sportyaccordy]

I've had my stuff for a year and a half.  Other than the hardware on my bed falling out on one side (I just removed it, much happier now sleeping lower anyway) and a dropped watch putting a divot in my coffee table, it's all holding up fine.  It looks good and was cheap (although it must be said I didn't get my sofas or mattress from there), so who cares that it's particle board and a veneer?  I'm a man; should I ever enter a serious relationship, the chick will throw out all my shit anyway, buy throw pillows, tea lights, and potpourri. 

Both me and my old roommate destroyed two copies of the same bed, as well as 2 dressers. To be fair though, that was when I was moving once a year. I think the deal w/Ikea is its OK, if you don't move it. But I move.

[sportyaccordy]

Yeah, which is why I was going to ask what planet he is on if he think a Roewe is better than a Cadillac.

ROEUWUE isnt even a luxury brand. They dont even consider Roequwe a luxury car in its own country.

[Vinsanity]

Yeah, which is why I was going to ask what planet he is on if he think a Roewe is better than a Cadillac.

Ok, but what kind of twisted mind thinks first of Roewe, when he hears the phrase "British car"?

[Raza]

Both me and my old roommate destroyed two copies of the same bed, as well as 2 dressers. To be fair though, that was when I was moving once a year. I think the deal w/Ikea is its OK, if you don't move it. But I move.

Yeah, I didn't even move it to my apartment.  I had all my shit delivered, then I built it there. 

[Raza]

Ok, but what kind of twisted mind thinks first of Roewe, when he hears the phrase "British car"?

My first thought is always of the Morris Marina.

[sportyaccordy]

My first thought is a Jag XJS that blinks the highbeams and brake lights when you hit the turn signals.

[Submariner]

The "English"?

Jaguar?

I mean, it's owned by Tata, but w/e it's still a British car. 

[Submariner]

You...uh... want to bother explaining why it was so cheap?

Or is this just like how the materials looked cheap on the 3D rendering?

Like I said, I'll elaborate more when I have the time.

The materials felt second rate.  I don't know how to describe it other than that. 

[Submariner]

I just read in Bloomberg Business Weekly how some movers refuse to guarantee safe passage for Ikea furniture. They should just make it out of granola, so after the year or so of functionality it gives you can eat it.

I broke my girlfriends Ikea bed three days after she got it. 

Shoddy stuff.