Ferrari strong arm?

[NomisR]

Enzo told him "If you think you can build a better car, you're welcome to try".  So he did.

Most of his cars back in the days weren't "better", just crazier looking[


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Especially when you're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars.  I will tell a company where to go if they ever tell me I must buy this used car first, then this new car next, and then this new car after that, and then if I'm selected I can give them half a million dollars to get a car I'm not even allowed to resell without their permission.  My response would be something like, "Really?  Well, you pretentious weenie, you can take your cars and shove them up your ass and I will take my $300,000 and go buy a McLaren."
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Or take all the money you would've spent on all the used and new Ferraris before you can get to the special Ferrari that you want and get an used McLaren F1

[SVT666]

Or take all the money you would've spent on all the used and new Ferraris before you can get to the special Ferrari that you want and get an used McLaren F1

The McLaren F1 is the equivalent of a god for me.  I could never own one because I would never be able to bring myself to drive it for fear of crashing it.  $2 Million for a car I would never drive?  No thanks.

[NomisR]

The McLaren F1 is the equivalent of a god for me.  I could never own one because I would never be able to bring myself to drive it for fear of crashing it.  $2 Million for a car I would never drive?  No thanks.

Even if you're a billionaire, you wouldn't drive it?  For me, I think it'll be hairy at first but after I lose control a few times on the track.. i'll learn to enjoy it. 

[Raza]

Most of his cars back in the days weren't "better", just crazier looking

The Miura did create the modern supercar. 

[NomisR]

The Miura did create the modern supercar. 

NSX = true modern supercar.. car that can perform and not break down every 100 miles.

[Lebowski]

Unless they know anything about car and they would think, "What type of douche gets that thing?"  I'd rather get an Aston Martin over a 575 or 599..

You're crazy.

[MX793]

NSX = true modern supercar.. car that can perform and not break down every 100 miles.

The Miura was the first significant car of the modern supercar formula (2-seat, mid-engine, RWD).

[NomisR]

The Miura was the first significant car of the modern supercar formula (2-seat, mid-engine, RWD).

What about the Ford GT40?  While it was an extremely limited production road vehicle, it was way more super than the Miura

[MX793]

What about the Ford GT40?  While it was an extremely limited production road vehicle, it was way more super than the Miura

They only built 7 road-going versions of the the GT40 (designated MkIII), and they came out in '67 whereas the Miura went on sale in '66. 

The Miura wasn't the first mid-engine car (they'd been using them in racing for years before), nor was it the first mid-engine road car (although it was probably one of the first 3), but it was the first significant road-going sports car to use that formula.

[TurboDan]

NSX = true modern supercar.. car that can perform and not break down every 100 miles.

That's actually a great point. Ferraris are maintenance/reliability nightmares. I know, I know: "if you can afford a Ferrari, you should be able to afford the maintenance." Alright, but I'd like to be able to ENJOY my purchase. Owning a car shouldn't be a chore. It seems like for Ferrari owners, it is.

Even Aston Martin seems a lot better in this regard. I see several of them around my areas being used as daily drivers. They can't be too bad.

[sportyaccordy]

I've actually wondered that...

They supposedly have a two year waiting list.  What if I won the lottery, walked in, and said, I want a F12 and a new 458 Italia Scuderia when it comes out...

That's two cars sold instantly.  Would it bump me up the list?  Could I buy an F60 when it comes out then?  I'm intrigued by this super exclusive club. 

The cars are gonna get sold no matter what. Telling people they can't have them only further pumps up demand. Eventually they have to buckle though (see: Eric Clapton's monstrosity)

[Xer0]

I don?t really see much of a problem with Ferrari selectively selling its products.  Don?t get me wrong, it sucks for that 30 yr old who just got a baller bonus and wants to go buy a 458 or an F12 but has to make due with like a 599 or California or some shit for a few years, but at the end of the day its Ferrari?s product and it doesn?t have to sell it to you if it doesn?t want it.  It really does speak to the cars that people are willing to go through all of that bullshit to get them though.

Personally, I?d just go and buy an LFA and be done with it. 

[Raza]

That's actually a great point. Ferraris are maintenance/reliability nightmares. I know, I know: "if you can afford a Ferrari, you should be able to afford the maintenance." Alright, but I'd like to be able to ENJOY my purchase. Owning a car shouldn't be a chore. It seems like for Ferrari owners, it is.

Even Aston Martin seems a lot better in this regard. I see several of them around my areas being used as daily drivers. They can't be too bad.

There's a portfolio manager at work who used to drive his Quattroporte to work everyday for years, in both offices (he worked in Jersey, but often came to Delaware).  And it was an early one, with the clunky F1 transmission, not the newer, smoother ZF automatics.

He recently got rid of it, though.  Now he drives a Continental GT.  Went from one of the best looking cars to one of the worst.   

[Lebowski]

I don?t really see much of a problem with Ferrari selectively selling its products.  Don?t get me wrong, it sucks for that 30 yr old who just got a baller bonus and wants to go buy a 458 or an F12 but has to make due with like a 599 or California or some shit for a few years, but at the end of the day its Ferrari?s product and it doesn?t have to sell it to you if it doesn?t want it.  It really does speak to the cars that people are willing to go through all of that bullshit to get them though.

Personally, I?d just go and buy an LFA and be done with it.  

I understand they can do what they want, I just think people are sheep for playing along. But, many customers get off on the "exclusive" bullshit.

If I was in the market for a 458, no fucking way would I hand over my hard earned cash for a California for the possible chance of qualifying for a more desireable model down the road. That's just me, though.

[NomisR]

There's a portfolio manager at work who used to drive his Quattroporte to work everyday for years, in both offices (he worked in Jersey, but often came to Delaware).  And it was an early one, with the clunky F1 transmission, not the newer, smoother ZF automatics.

He recently got rid of it, though.  Now he drives a Continental GT.  Went from one of the best looking cars to one of the worst.   

 

But then again, maybe he's not doing as well...

[MrH]

I understand they can do what they want, I just think people are sheep for playing along. But, many customers get off on the "exclusive" bullshit.

If I was in the market for a 458, no fucking way would I hand over my hard earned cash for a California for the possible chance of qualifying for a more desireable model down the road. That's just me, though.

True.  We're all speculating though.  I've heard the two year wait list, and I've heard the "must own an F40 or F50" to get an Enzo, but I haven't heard that you need to own their "shitty" california before a 458.

Who knows how the process really works now.  It'd be interesting if inside line or something did a report on it.  For all we know, the Enzo purchasing deal was blown out of proportion, and Ferraris aren't nearly as difficult to purchase as we're making them out to be.

[Lebowski]

True.  We're all speculating though.  I've heard the two year wait list, and I've heard the "must own an F40 or F50" to get an Enzo, but I haven't heard that you need to own their "shitty" california before a 458.

Who knows how the process really works now.  It'd be interesting if inside line or something did a report on it.  For all we know, the Enzo purchasing deal was blown out of proportion, and Ferraris aren't nearly as difficult to purchase as we're making them out to be.

I don't know the details of the process but I can pretty much guarantee you aren't getting something on the scale of an Enzo (new) just for putting your name on a wait list for 2 yrs.

[SVT666]

I don't know the details of the process but I can pretty much guarantee you aren't getting something on the scale of an Enzo (new) just for putting your name on a wait list for 2 yrs.

No.  It was widely reported that Ferrari personally invited the owners to buy a car and that the entire run was sold out before it was even revealed to the public.

[MrH]

I don't know the details of the process but I can pretty much guarantee you aren't getting something on the scale of an Enzo (new) just for putting your name on a wait list for 2 yrs.

Yeah, but a 458 is totally different than an Enzo.  I'd imagine they're much easier to purchase.  I did some google searching, looks like some people back out on their preorders.  You can jump in on some of them.  Money talks ultimately, so if you won the lottery, I'm sure you could rake in some ferraris pretty quick if you wanted.

[Raza]

 

But then again, maybe he's not doing as well...

Aren't Conti GTs more expensive than Fourdoors?

[NomisR]

Aren't Conti GTs more expensive than Fourdoors?

Oh wait.. you're right.. for some reason, i was thinking of a different Continental...   But yeah, they're ugly.. too rapperish for my taste.  4doors is more classy looking even if it is old.

[Xer0]

I understand they can do what they want, I just think people are sheep for playing along. But, many customers get off on the "exclusive" bullshit.

If I was in the market for a 458, no fucking way would I hand over my hard earned cash for a California for the possible chance of qualifying for a more desireable model down the road. That's just me, though.

True, but you're also probably more interested in the car than the name anyway and would probably be just as happy (happier depending on how much a manual is worth) in a GT3. 

[NomisR]

True, but you're also probably more interested in the car than the name anyway and would probably be just as happy (happier depending on how much a manual is worth) in a GT3. 

GT3's kinda meh...

[Raza]

No way I'd buy a California over a V8 Vantage roadster, even if they put the manual in the California like they said they were going to.

[NomisR]

No way I'd buy a California over a V8 Vantage roadster, even if they put the manual in the California like they said they were going to.

[TurboDan]

There's a portfolio manager at work who used to drive his Quattroporte to work everyday for years, in both offices (he worked in Jersey, but often came to Delaware).  And it was an early one, with the clunky F1 transmission, not the newer, smoother ZF automatics.

He recently got rid of it, though.  Now he drives a Continental GT.  Went from one of the best looking cars to one of the worst.   

I've heard the Maseratis are a little better than the Ferrari models, especially the more advanced ones.

On another note, call me crazy, but I absolutely love the look of the California.

[Madman]

On another note, call me crazy, but I absolutely love the look of the California.

Okay, you're crazy!   

[SVT666]

I like it too Dan.

[sportyaccordy]

You can always buy the cheaper ones used too

[NomisR]

I've heard the Maseratis are a little better than the Ferrari models, especially the more advanced ones.

On another note, call me crazy, but I absolutely love the look of the California.