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[Submariner]

If I get my left knee fixed, I might just take you up on that.

Of course, you realize parking the Crown Vic anywhere in Germany will be a problem.

Scheiss angeber braucht drei Parkpl?tze!!! 


Edit: Has MB gotten rid of the column shifter for some models? I just did a build of a 2013 E-class coupe and cabriolet and it looks like the shifter is in the center from the interior shots. The sedan and wagon show them still on the column? Could this be? Did Stuttgart wake up?

That's how it's been sense the release of those models.  Why they do it is beyond me. 

[sportyaccordy]

Well, yeah.  Technically, they're cool as hell.  But the fact that the "primitive" motors of Ford and GM still compete, work, and sell by the millions is more interesting to me than BMW gaining .03% efficiency because they fitted a new internal nipple to the bleed valve on the positron converter...

Yup... nobody is buying BMW crate motors... or even snatching them out of the legions of junked x40i cars

I mean you compare the LS1 to a same year BMW V8... from everything but a refinement POV LS1 walks away easily.

[Raza]

If I get my left knee fixed, I might just take you up on that.

Of course, you realize parking the Crown Vic anywhere in Germany will be a problem.

Scheiss angeber braucht drei Parkpl?tze!!!  


Edit: Has MB gotten rid of the column shifter for some models? I just did a build of a 2013 E-class coupe and cabriolet and it looks like the shifter is in the center from the interior shots. The sedan and wagon show them still on the column? Could this be? Did Stuttgart wake up?

The E class coupe is C class based, which could explain the different positioning. 

[MrH]

The E class coupe is C class based, which could explain the different positioning. 

True.  Everything is shift by wire in those, so it wouldn't be hard for them to relocate things anyways.

[MX793]

The E class coupe is C class based, which could explain the different positioning. 

Actually, the current E coupe is actually (mostly) E-class based (shares 60%+ of its mechanicals).  It's CLK predecessors were C-class based.

[Raza]

Actually, the current E coupe is actually (mostly) E-class based (shares 60%+ of its mechanicals).  It's CLK predecessors were C-class based.

Are you sure?

[MX793]

Are you sure?

Yup.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/correction-mercedes-e-class-coupe-is-more-than-60-percent-based-on-e-class.html

[nickdrinkwater]

If that's a press photo it's impressive that the panel gaps didn't even line up when it was new.

I still want one though!

[SVT666]

There's a guy in town with a supercharged Marauder.  We have a show'n shine here every summer where they do burnouts on the main drag that goes along the beach and he lights 'em up pretty good.

[850CSi]

Yup... nobody is buying BMW crate motors... or even snatching them out of the legions of junked x40i cars

Oooooh I want one!

[cawimmer430]

Of course, you realize parking the Crown Vic anywhere in Germany will be a problem.

Not if it has LAPD markings and a diplomatic US plate. The local cops will back-off and I am free to park anywhere I wish!  

Scheiss angeber braucht drei Parkpl?tze!!!  

Edit: Has MB gotten rid of the column shifter for some models? I just did a build of a 2013 E-class coupe and cabriolet and it looks like the shifter is in the center from the interior shots. The sedan and wagon show them still on the column? Could this be? Did Stuttgart wake up?

Those must be press photos of a 4-cylinder E-Class sedan/coupe/wagon interior. Only the 4-cylinders have a center console automatic and manual transmission whereas the 6-cylinders and V8s all have a column shift (and no M/T option).

It's not that hard to operate, though. My father's E350 CGI has a column shifter and I have zero problems operating it and when coming from a 1-Series whose shifter is in the center console.

[cawimmer430]

That's how it's been sense the release of those models.  Why they do it is beyond me. 

They did it because it frees up more space in the center console for small storage bins for things like pocket change, cup holders etc.

From a practicality perspective it's rather welcome. Also, there are paddle shifters behind the wheel which allow the driver to "shift manually" and engage the A/T transmission. Our E350 CGI has that. The few times I drive that car though I don't use them because I feel the 7Gtronic is always in the right gear and shift up or down when I need it to. There's also the C-S-M modes (Comfort-Sport-Manual) and there's a big difference between Comfort and Sport mode. I always put it in Sport - makes the transmission more responsive and shift-eager.

[Raza]

Eh, I hate it.  It's stupid.  Yes, you have bigger cupholders, but you need to visually confirm that the car is in the gear you want it to be in when stopping or setting off or reversing, rather than feeling the physical position of a gated shifter. 

[cawimmer430]

Eh, I hate it.  It's stupid.  Yes, you have bigger cupholders, but you need to visually confirm that the car is in the gear you want it to be in when stopping or setting off or reversing, rather than feeling the physical position of a gated shifter.  

It's not that hard. There's a display right in front of you that tells you in which position the gear is in. And if you manually shift using the paddle shifters you can also remember what gear you're in...

[Raza]

It's not that hard.

I never said it was hard.  I said it was stupid. 

[cawimmer430]

I never said it was hard.  I said it was stupid. 

Geez. Then go and drive a manual transmission! Oh wait...

[Klackamas]

Column shifter is going backwards. It reminds me of some 1950's/1960's cars. It just doesn't fit. It's crap. It sucks. It blows.

BTW, those aren't press photos. That's from building the E-350 coupe/cabriolet on their site and looking at the interior as built.

[cawimmer430]

Column shifter is going backwards. It reminds me of some 1950's/1960's cars. It just doesn't fit. It's crap. It sucks. It blows.

I prefer center console shifters to, but a column shift isn't that hard to get used to. I kind of enjoy it when I drove my dads E350 CGI.

BTW, those aren't press photos. That's from building the E-350 coupe/cabriolet on their site and looking at the interior as built.

They probably used the stock photo of a European-model 4-cylinder E-Class Coupe/Convertible. All V6s and V8s have the column shifter. 

[sportyaccordy]

Eh, I hate it.  It's stupid.  Yes, you have bigger cupholders, but you need to visually confirm that the car is in the gear you want it to be in when stopping or setting off or reversing, rather than feeling the physical position of a gated shifter. 

You can also release the brake

That's one strike against paddle shift cars w/no lever though. No brake torque at idle... have to gas it to figure out what gear its in. One thing I didn't like about the F430

[CJ]

They probably used the stock photo of a European-model 4-cylinder E-Class Coupe/Convertible. All V6s and V8s have the column shifter. 

Not here, they don't. 

[cawimmer430]

Not here, they don't. 

They must.

All 4-cylinder E-Classes, gas and diesel, have their manual transmission / automatic transmission shifters in the center console.

All V6 and V8 models have the column shift A/T.

There are no exceptions.

[sportyaccordy]

They must.

All 4-cylinder E-Classes, gas and diesel, have their manual transmission / automatic transmission shifters in the center console.

All V6 and V8 models have the column shift A/T.

There are no exceptions.

Coupes get console shifters, sedans get column shifters

Here at least. W/the V6 + V8... we dont get the 4 pot E classes

[cawimmer430]

Coupes get console shifters, sedans get column shifters

Here at least. W/the V6 + V8... we dont get the 4 pot E classes

Whoops, my bad. I forgot that the coupes/convertibles have a console shifter even in V6/V8 form.

[cawimmer430]

Klackamas, here is your E-Class. 

[Klackamas]

Genau. Das auto ist top.

Jetzt brauch ich nur ein wohnung im Zermatt und auch eins im Berlin und die autobahn zwischen die zwei (ohne Geschwindigkeit und stau).

   

[cawimmer430]

Genau. Das auto ist top.

Jetzt brauch ich nur ein wohnung im Zermatt und auch eins im Berlin und die autobahn zwischen die zwei (ohne Geschwindigkeit und stau).

   

You're gonna love how this baby performs on the Autobahn. Effortless and smooth and quiet acceleration to the high speeds. Totally enjoyable.