The 1974 Dodge Monaco Poll Thread

Started by cawimmer430, November 15, 2012, 04:29:44 AM

Which Monaco for you?

Sedan
2 (15.4%)
Wagon
2 (15.4%)
Coupe
2 (15.4%)
All of them!
1 (7.7%)
I'll take a horse, thank you!
6 (46.2%)

Total Members Voted: 13

cawimmer430

I voted for "all of them". The wagon looks pretty awesome. I could literally transport my BMW 118i in that thing!  :lol:

I'm honestly fascinated by this car. The design, its presence in '70s movies. It looks awesome like virtually all 1970s Mopar cruisers. I'd love to photograph one of these sometime.  :praise:


Sedan



Wagon



Coupe
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Galaxy

Make it a paint quarter horse please.

Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 15, 2012, 04:29:44 AM
The wagon looks pretty awesome. I could literally transport my BMW 118i in that thing!  :lol:


It would be more economical to tow the Monaco with the 118i. Wait, what is the 1ers tow rating again?


cawimmer430

I thought this is a car forum and we're all CAR ENTHUSIASTS here. We should all be excited over cars, even some that might not have been that great.  :(

If this thread were about the BRZ or Miata we'd be at 27 pages already.  :facepalm:



Quote from: Galaxy on November 15, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
It would be more economical to tow the Monaco with the 118i. Wait, what is the 1ers tow rating again?

I can tow 670 kg max. So towing a Monaco is out of the question.  :praise:
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shp4man

There were a few interesting American cars made in the mid '70's






The '74 Dodge's claim to fame was a movie:
  :lol:

mzziaz

Dig the wagon. Half looking for a yacht sized wagon, actually - - preferably with woody sides.
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Galaxy

Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 15, 2012, 03:16:38 PM


I can tow 670 kg max. So towing a Monaco is out of the question.  :praise:

:confused:

Are you certain that is not the rating for a trailer without brakes? 'Cause a Golf with the 1.2 put put is certified to tow 1.600kg.  :confused:

Vinsanity

Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 15, 2012, 03:16:38 PM
I thought this is a car forum and we're all CAR ENTHUSIASTS here. We should all be excited over cars, even some that might not have been that great.  :(

If this thread were about the BRZ or Miata we'd be at 27 pages already.  :facepalm:

Don't tell me you didn't see this coming. I really don't want to believe that you're really that dense.

Raza

Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 15, 2012, 03:16:38 PM
I thought this is a car forum and we're all CAR ENTHUSIASTS here. We should all be excited over cars, even some that might not have been that great.  :(

If this thread were about the BRZ or Miata we'd be at 27 pages already.  :facepalm:



I can tow 670 kg max. So towing a Monaco is out of the question.  :praise:

It would be like someone making a thread on a car forum in 30 years about a 2002 Camry. 
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Quote from: Raza  link=topic=28380.msg1808931#msg1808931 date=1353034922
It would be like someone making a thread on a car forum in 30 years about a 2002 Camry. 

Yeah, but the Camry was a good car. Boring, but it was reliable and roomy.



These 70's clunkers sucked balls.

Atomic

I felt deprived as a child never having a wagon to enjoy on long trips like nearly everyone else in the neighborhood. Therefore, I voted for the station wagon. These were pre-minivan days but looking at the photos (above), the sedan looks the best.

cawimmer430

Quote from: shp4man on November 15, 2012, 04:15:41 PM
There were a few interesting American cars made in the mid '70's


Yep, the AMC Matador is nice! Love the "Boat-Tail" Riviera and the Lincoln Continental Mark IV is the epitome of '70s sexy styling and kitsch! Love 'em all!  :mrcool:



Quote from: shp4man on November 15, 2012, 04:15:41 PMThe '74 Dodge's claim to fame was a movie:

And that's where I first saw it and fell in love with its classic, elegant and timeless design.  :wub:
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Quote from: mzziaz on November 15, 2012, 04:47:59 PM
Dig the wagon. Half looking for a yacht sized wagon, actually - - preferably with woody sides.

The wagon looks hot! The coupe is sexy to! And the sedan is gorgeous! Hence I voted for "all of them"!  :rockon:
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cawimmer430

Quote from: Galaxy on November 15, 2012, 05:18:07 PM
:confused:

Are you certain that is not the rating for a trailer without brakes? 'Cause a Golf with the 1.2 put put is certified to tow 1.600kg.  :confused:

Whoops, that's indeed the rating for trailer without brakes. My mistake. Max towing capacity of the 118i is 1,200 kg according to my manual.
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cawimmer430

Quote from: Vinsanity on November 15, 2012, 06:02:34 PM
Don't tell me you didn't see this coming. I really don't want to believe that you're really that dense.

Come on! This is a CAR FORUM! We discuss shitty and good cars here.  :cheers:
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cawimmer430

Quote from: Raza  link=topic=28380.msg1808931#msg1808931 date=1353034922
It would be like someone making a thread on a car forum in 30 years about a 2002 Camry. 

The difference is that there's a clear and pleasant design to the '74 Monaco.  :praise:

Camry and design? Nope. Doesn't exist.  :lol:
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Quote from: Atomic on November 16, 2012, 04:41:09 AM
I felt deprived as a child never having a wagon to enjoy on long trips like nearly everyone else in the neighborhood. Therefore, I voted for the station wagon. These were pre-minivan days but looking at the photos (above), the sedan looks the best.

Finally an enthusiast!  :rockon:

The wagon does look awesome and so "over practical". If I had one of those here I could fit in all my gear, my car a sofa and still have enough space to sleep for the night! The only thing that would worry me are the fuel costs and where to park it!  :lol:
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2o6

There is no design to these things. They use parts and switchgear found over all of Mopar. There is nothing good about these cars.

cawimmer430

Quote from: 2o6 on November 16, 2012, 06:07:38 AM
There is no design to these things. They use parts and switchgear found over all of Mopar. There is nothing good about these cars.

The Monaco still has remnants of Chrysler's famous "Fuselage" design cues on it that were prevalent in the mid-1960s I believe up to around the mid- / late-1970s.


Check it out. 1972 Chrysler New Yorker with fuselage design. The Monaco looks like a less premium and glitz version of this baby.




Other fuselage designs.





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AutobahnSHO

I voted based on the model I found most attractive.
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cawimmer430

Quote from: 2o6 on November 16, 2012, 06:22:32 AM
They suck.

I provided factual evidence based on styling.

I don't doubt that the quality wasn't the best on these cars, but in terms of DESIGN I find them totally sexy.
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Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 16, 2012, 05:41:10 AM
Come on! This is a CAR FORUM! We discuss shitty and good cars here.  :cheers:

Yeah so don't be upset when we discuss how shitty some cars are

cawimmer430

Motor Klassik, the best German classic car magazine IMO, has a nice article about the '74 Dodge Monaco. Everytime I see more photos of this baby I fall more deeply in love with it. Such a sexy design.  :wub:

The best thing about the Dodge Monaco featured here? It has MUNICH PLATES!!! OMG!!! There's a Monaco here?!?!? I need to find the owners of this baby!  :mrcool:

I'll post the article for the hell of it, but look at the last word in the last sentence (highlighted in red). That's how a renowned classic car magazine here thinks about this car.  :praise:


Dodge Monaco - So f?hrt sich das Blues-Brothers-Mobil
Bullen-Karre ohne Starall?ren



Der Dodge Monaco ist der heimliche Star der Musikkom?die Blues Brothers. Ein abgetakeltes und ausrangiertes Polizeiauto mit 7,2 Liter gro?em V8-Motor der California Highway Patrol mit dem Dan Akroyd und John Belushia alias Elwood und Jake m?chtig Gas geben.

Eingerahmt in das von rauchenden Industrie-Schornsteinen gepr?gte Stadtbild Chicagos wartet Elwood Blues in einem ausrangierten Polizeiwagen - einem Dodge Monaco, Baujahr 1974 -, vor der Gef?ngnispforte darauf, dass der US-Bundesstaat Illinois seinen kleinen, dicken Bruder in die Freiheit entl?sst. Jake steigt ein und beschwert sich ?ber die Bullenkarre. Nicht einmal der Zigarettenanz?nder funktioniert. Er schmei?t ihn demonstrativ aus dem Fenster. Die beiden fahren los, und Jake fragt den schlaksigen Elwood vorwurfsvoll: Wo ist der Cadillac? Wo ist das Bluesmobil?


Dodge Monaco mit 7,2-Liter-V8

Die Anfangssequenz des Blues Brothers-Films passt. Der Dodge Monaco ist keiner dieser Klassiker, vor denen man beim ersten Anblick auf die Knie f?llt und mit denen man ehrfurchtsvoll und behutsam durch die Gegend cruist. Er ist keine makellose Glanzlack-Skulptur, beim dem ein Kratzer den Fahrzeugbesitzer an den Rand eines Herzinfarktes bringt.

Das Auto ist kernig wie Kojak. Ein Raubein, mit dem man wie die Blues Brothers durch Einkaufzentren brettern und ihn durch die Pylonengasse aus Eisentr?gern der Chicagoer Hochbahn jagen will. Daf?r hat man am besten das Heavy Duty-Paket und das A 38 Police Package von Dodge an Bord. Herzst?ck ist der Achtzylinder-Magnum-Motor mit gigantischen 7,2 Liter Hubraum, der auch in den legend?ren Muscle-Cars Dodge Charger und Challenger zum Einsatz kam. Das wuchtige Aggregat bringt es auf 515 Newtonmeter Drehmoment bei 3.200 Touren und leistet 280 PS.

Weitere Extras des Dodge Monaco: get?nte Scheiben, verst?rkte Bremsen und Sto?d?mpfer sowie die direktere Firm-Feel-Lenkung. Oder, wie es Elwood in seiner n?chternen, unaufgeregten Art zusammenfasst: "Das Ding hat 'nen Bullenfahrwerk, Bullensto?d?mpfer und 'nen Bullenmotor." Den Cadillac hat Elwood gegen ein Mikrophon eingetauscht. "Das ist einzusehen", akzeptiert Bruder Jake den betriebswirtschaftlich grotesken Handel. Das neue Bluesmobil hat es dagegen schwerer. Es muss erst ?ber eine Klappbr?cke springen, bis der Wagen von Jake wenigstens eine gewisse Anerkennung erf?hrt.



Dodge Monaco ist der automobile Rainer Calmund

Und das ?ndert sich ?ber den gesamten Film nicht. Zigfach rettet das Auto die Helden vor wild gewordenen Country-Musikern, Polizisten und Panzern und wird dennoch nicht zum gehegten Sch?tzchen. Sein Blechkleid bekommt nicht mal ein anerkennendes Klopfen. Anders als der rote Ferrari 308 GTS von Seriendetektiv Magnum taugt der ungepflegte, aber robuste Monaco eben nicht zum Filmheld. Und das, obwohl er mehr Verfolger absch?ttelt und auf dem Schrott enden l?sst als irgendein anderes Auto in der Filmgeschichte.

W?hrend der Dreharbeiten zu Blues Brothers wurden angeblich nur f?nf Bluesmobile zerst?rt. Das erscheint angesichts der schwammigen, indirekten Lenkung und der Karosserie im XXL-Format des Dodge Monaco kaum vorstellbar. Wie sich die immense Kraft des Magnum-Motors, ein kurzer Gassto? gen?gt, und die Hinterr?der winseln um Gnade, bei hohen Geschwindigkeiten mit dem d?rren Lenkrad beherrschen l?sst, ist ein R?tsel.

Der Dodge Monaco ist eine Art automobiler Rainer Calmund. Der dicke Ex-Manager des Fu?ball-Clubs Bayer Leverkusen br?uchte eigentlich zwei St?hle zum Sitzen, der gut zwei Meter breite und fast sechs Meter lange Monaco ab Tempo 150 sicherheitshalber zwei Fahrspuren. Vermutlich haben die Polizisten der California Highway Patrol, aus deren Fundus das Filmauto stammte, auch lieber auf der breiten Couch bei Kaffee und Donuts entspannt, statt mit dem Monaco bei Verfolgungsjagden Kopf und Kragen zu riskieren.


Police Package: Erh?hter Leerlauf f?r schwitzende Polizisten

Neben den obligatorischen Suchscheinwerfern und der Sirene war ein Extra des Polizei-Ausstattungspakets daher f?r die Beamten ganz wichtig. Damit Klimaanlage und Funk auch im Stand weiter benutzt werden konnten, baute Dodge einen Fast Idle Lock ein. Der h?lt die Drehzahl des Motors hoch, damit er auch im Stand nicht hei? l?uft und gen?gend K?lte und Strom liefert. Extras wie den Fast Idle Lock und einen Halter f?r die Pump Gun gab es f?r Zivilisten nicht. Den Monaco bot Dodge in den drei Ausstattungsvarianten Custom, Brougham oder schlicht Monaco an.



Treuer Gef?hrte der Blues Brothers

Der Brougham war die Luxusversion mit Einzelsitzen, Holzimitat am Instrumentenbrett, einer Digitaluhr, verchromten Radkappen, elektrischer Sitzverstellung, automatischen Fensterhebern und zwei getrennten Aschenbechern f?r Fahrer und Beifahrer. In der Brougham-Ausstattung war der Zigarettenanz?nder sogar beleuchtet. Aber wer braucht schon einen beleuchteten Zigarettenanz?nder? Jake w?rde es reichen, wenn das bl?de Ding ?berhaupt funktionieren w?rde.

Ansonsten entt?uscht der Dodge Monaco die Blues Brothers aber nicht. Die Jungs werden lediglich einmal Opfer des f?r heutige Verh?ltnisse exorbitanten Benzinverbrauchs von mehr als 20 Litern auf 100 Kilometer bei moderater Fahrweise. Wenn nicht ?kologisch, so ist das Bluesmobil im Film wenigstens politisch korrekt: Als eine Horde Nazis hinter den Blues Brothers herjagt, legt es auf einer Br?cke mit rauchendem K?hler einen R?ckw?rtssalto auf den Asphalt - und die Rechten rauschen in die Tiefe.

Bis zum v?lligen Zusammenbruch des Autos kurz vor Ende des Streifens h?lt das Bluesmobil tapfer durch. Elwood erstand die robuste Limousine im Film zum Schn?ppchenpreis bei einer Auktion der Polizei von Mount Prospect, einem Vorort von Chicago. Der Wagen ist genauso verlebt wie seine Fahrer mit ihren dunklen Sonnenbrillen und den abgetragenen schwarzen Anz?gen. Und genauso cool.


Link: http://www.motor-klassik.de/fahrberichte/dodge-monaco-das-blues-brothers-auto-ohne-starallueren-1373528.html



Pure porn!  :wub:

I know you guys think I am nuts but design is subjective and this car is just awesomely hot IMO!















I'm going to contact the magazine and ask if they can put me in touch with the owner! I want to shoot this baby!  :rockon:
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The Bluesmobile in CHP livery?  So wrong!  The REAL Bluesmobile was an ex-cop car from Mount Prospect, Illinois, a Chicago suburb.

Get the details right, dammit!  :heated:
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Quote from: Madman on November 16, 2012, 09:21:04 PM
The Bluesmobile in CHP livery?  So wrong!  The REAL Bluesmobile was an ex-cop car from Mount Prospect, Illinois, a Chicago suburb.

Get the details right, dammit!  :heated:

That's where Elwood said it came from, but the insignias are all missing on the actual car: and the car that played the Bluesmobile actually WAS an ex-CHP car.
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Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
That's where Elwood said it came from, but the insignias are all missing on the actual car: and the car that played the Bluesmobile actually WAS an ex-CHP car.


I was trying to search for Mount Prospect police cars from the '70s but all Google came up with was Bluesmobile replicas.

But I did find this REAL Mount Prospect police car, a 1983 Chevy Malibu.


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Soup DeVille

Quote from: Madman on November 16, 2012, 10:49:06 PM

I was trying to search for Mount Prospect police cars from the '70s but all Google came up with was Bluesmobile replicas.

But I did find this REAL Mount Prospect police car, a 1983 Chevy Malibu.




Yeah, I don't know how accurate or inaccurate that paint scheme is/was at all, but its not far off from the actual CHP paint scheme of the day.
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