W/o remorse I put these renderings out there

[Cookie Monster]

Sporty, that looks fucking awesome.

[sportyaccordy]

Sporty, that looks fucking awesome.

Thanks

[2o6]

I have to start from scratch on the car. For some reason I just can't get the topology right. Subsurf makes things like doors stop lining up. I might need to start from scratch again, with sketches

You can cheat this by using edges to keep things from subdividing and warping in certain places.

[ergodic]

Thats kind of an unfair comparo, as the 03 636 was a huge move forward. I can't think of an an automotive analog as sportbike evolution has been pretty nutty over the last 20 years.

But compare that to the 2002 ZX6R, theres a few somewhat obvious differences to me.



02 is way more upright and has much less mass centralization. Look how big the tail is. Look how much higher the handlebars are. Look at the forks. I mean it is kind of subtle, but when you see the two bikes next to each other it becomes obvious.

Also the big diffs between Japanese + European bikes. The old adages about character ring even louder. A mid 90s Japanese sportbike looks wild but is kind of blah. A mid 90s Ducati looks downright exotic, even now. I mean look at the iconic 916



Vs some of the Japanese bikes from the same era







They look bulbous + visually heavier or just plain old

I mean my wife can't tell the diff between an E30 M3 and an old Accord... but you and me know the designs + cars are as different as night and day

The Fireblade is bulbouse and just plain old?! You take that back!!!

[2o6]

Looks way better. Can you post some pics of your wireframes... I just can't get this shit right man.

Mine aren't the best, but I use the "edge" tool (highlight and edge and hit Shift+E) to keep the subsurf modifier from rounding out edges too much. Not going to lie, traditional modeling I'm not very strong at all with, but I know enough to get the job done.


Since most of my cars have an interior fleshed out, here's a model with a decent wireframe.


No subsurf modifier




With subsurf modifier




Careful placement of lines of polygons + edges tool lets me get the subsurf modifier to do what I want it to.

[sportyaccordy]

I will give that a try man. I like subsurf but it really fucks up edges like doors and shit. What does the edge tool do basically? Just keep subsurf from fucking with it?

[2o6]

What does the edge tool do basically? Just keep subsurf from fucking with it?

Yes. You can also chamfer edges and do some other subdivisions to create a more realistic "edge". Only real downside is sometimes it has too many polygons for the purpose, but mine are generally low-poly so I don't think it matters.  I try to keep the model as one unit as long as possible before I start separating doors and other pieces (because it does screw with polygonal lines). Some stuff I don't find necessary to explicitly connect to the mesh; often times my dashboards and other interior pieces clip and aren't united to the main body model.



The edge tool lets me get things to 9/10 times line up, but some areas do need tweaking.

[sportyaccordy]

Still needs work but its looking better. I am learning its better to model each body piece individually. Also got a good handle on the subsurf/edge stuff. My window game is still pretty shitty though. And the topography needs work. Shits kinda not lining up.



Thinking about expanding the hatch/trunk a little bit but I still really wanna keep this thing nice and trim. You know me. Should get interesting when I start making the chassis/powertrain but that is easy compared to getting all these damn body parts to play nice.

[2o6]

That looks great!

[CJ]

Lengthen the wheelbase and make the trunk a little longer. I think it'd really look great. Very SLS like, kinda.

[SVT666]

SLS?  Looks like a stretched RX-8.

[sportyaccordy]

There's still more to do!!!!



For the exterior I still need to clean up some edges... maybe turn up the subsurf again to get the last bit of blockiness out, and def finalize the daylight openings. Also gotta do lights, exhaust and shit like doorhandles and all that.

Then from there we work our way in... gonna make the undercarriage, engine, suspension and closeout with the interior hopefully. Gonna take some time but I am making steady progress

[sportyaccordy]

Cleaned up a little bit. Did the roof over, cleaned up the wheel arches and side window, lined up the bumper and lower edges

[2o6]

Looks alright, would love to see another angle.

[Cookie Monster]

The rear deck area looks too short.

[Laconian]

RX8!

[sportyaccordy]

I see a couple of things

I see 1st gen Viper in the general silhouette/profile... the cutout of the doors, the bulge of the nose, the greenhouse, even the window shape and maybe the wheels too. Maybe I will make roof bubbles

I see a little 1st gen Neon in the nose, but I am still on the fence with what to do there. Gonna have LED headlights for sure, and some funky ducts etc. Def gonna be pretty aggressive. Gonna do some sketches to brainstorm

Overall though I like it... not bad for a first effort I think. Thinking of what to do next, and how to finish the bike. Bike has some details I'm not crazy about. Might do the engine over completely with more detail + texture.

*EDIT* Yeech def gotta do the rear window over too. Hot mess. No biggie

[Laconian]

Can you give the roof a double bubble?

[Raza]

Yeah, that spoiler has to go. 

[sportyaccordy]

But then I will have to make the decklid more pronounced. The net effect will be the same, I think

[Raza]

But then I will have to make the decklid more pronounced. The net effect will be the same, I think

It looked better without it. 

It looks a lot like an RX-8, that can't be denied.  And just like an RX-8, the short decklid makes spoilers look goofy.  It's better without.  I even removed the stock spoiler on my RX-8 in Horizon because it looks so terrible.

[sportyaccordy]

I suppose it would look cleaner. I will take it off the body and make it an option.

[Laconian]

Make it part of the Sport Convenience Package!

[Raza]

Make it part of the Sport Convenience Package!

Sportvenience Pack!  Spoiler and heated/cooled cupholders!

[Laconian]

Engine bay cameras! Bluetooth enabled sport exhaust!

[Eye of the Tiger]

Sportvenience Pack!  Spoiler and heated/cooled cupholders!

The spoiler should also be heated and cooled; it can melt ice, and form ice.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Engine bay cameras! Bluetooth enabled sport exhaust!

That should require stereo headphones. Some people only have a single ear piece.

[Laconian]

Genius. It creates down force on demand by accumulating ice.

[sportyaccordy]

You guys jest but how cool would it be to say "afterburners... activate" and have the sport exhaust open up

I'm keeping and trademarking that

[Laconian]

Afterburners, activate!
"Uh oh, something's wrong. Can you try again?"
Afterburners, activate!
"Sorry, I'm having trouble connecting to the network."
Afterburners, activate!
"OK, got it. Here is a map to Afterburners."