C7 Corvette

[MrH]

In trying to lose the FOG stereotype, Chevrolet got rid of critical belly room.

[MX793]

Is the more difficult ingress/egress due to better seat bolstering?  They supposedly addressed all of the complaints that the seats didn't provide enough lateral support.

[Lebowski]

The thing is, fat old guys are the primary market for all these cars. Porsche etc buyers are no different, and if anything even fatter/older owing to price.

I'm not that big or old, and I found it harder to get in and out of and the bolsters pretty snug. 

The ingress/egress thing could have been partially just that it was at the car show, the crowd of people around me waiting to get in.

[Eye of the Tiger]

The thing is, fat old guys are the primary market for all these cars. Porsche etc buyers are no different, and if anything even fatter/older owing to price.

I'm not that big or old, and I found it harder to get in and out of and the bolsters pretty snug. 

The ingress/egress thing could have been partially just that it was at the car show, the crowd of people around me waiting to get in.

Sounds like we need a Corvette Countryman CUV with flat, butt-level seats.

[Lebowski]

Sounds like we need a Corvette Countryman CUV with flat, butt-level seats.

The C6 is perfectly livable day to day, I'm just surprised they made it worse in these areas.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Maybe gm figures all the old guys can just save 10K and buy a fat overpriced ugly camaro.

[MX793]

Maybe gm figures all the old guys can just save 10K and buy a fat overpriced ugly camaro.

I didn't think the Camaro was that easy to get into or out of when I sat in one.  Of all of the sporty cars I sat in or test drove (Mustang, Camaro, RX-8, FR-S), it was the only one I hit my head on the top of the door frame trying to climb in and out of.

[r0tor]

Poor C7R is going to lose to a 911, Z4, and Viper in its premier at the 24hrs of Daytona

[Minpin]

Damn, that sucks they made it smaller. I can't imagine why they'd do that. The C6 wasn't exactly comfortable for my 6'4" frame either...At least it looks badass?

[Onslaught]

Sounds like I'd like it more. I always felt the C6 was too damn big feeling on the inside for a pure sports car. And those seats........

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I didn't think the Camaro was that easy to get into or out of when I sat in one.  Of all of the sporty cars I sat in or test drove (Mustang, Camaro, RX-8, FR-S), it was the only one I hit my head on the top of the door frame trying to climb in and out of.

I was thinking the increased seat height or "suv seating height" of the camaro would make them more comfortable than actually getting in and out of a sports car.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Sounds like I'd like it more. I always felt the C6 was too damn big feeling on the inside for a pure sports car. And those seats........

I think GM did alot to make this car appeal to the more traditional(non old guy vette) sports car market.

[Lebowski]

I think GM did alot to make this car appeal to the more traditional(non old guy vette) sports car market.

And what is that market exactly?

[Minpin]

The market of poor sales. I think you guys are kidding yourselves if they're trying to cut out their biggest market audience....

[FlatBlackCaddy]

The market of poor sales. I think you guys are kidding yourselves if they're trying to cut out their biggest market audience....

I don't think they tried to make it NOT appeal to the traditional corvette owners. I think they tried to broaden it, is what I'm saying. Namely with the style of the car, which I've heard a lot of corvette guys criticize as "european" or as a "ferrari copy".

Like every sports car, it's existence is dependent on normal people buying the car for status purposes. The capabilities of the car are not important nor are they utilized to even a 1/5th of their potential. Without these 95(or even 99) percent of buyers the 1 percent who truely use the car to it's potential would be stuck in camry se's.

[GoCougs]

And what is that market exactly?

The market that isn't the FOG w/strains of Harley-Davidsonism demographic that buys sports cars.

[Lebowski]

The market that isn't the FOG w/strains of Harley-Davidsonism demographic that buys sports cars.

Ah, the market of people who can't afford a corvette 


Anything in that price range or above is going to have a significant % of fat old guys as buyers. 

[afty]

Corvette buyers have a certain stereotype beyond just "fat old guys."

[Lebowski]

Corvette buyers have a certain stereotype beyond just "fat old guys."

Oh, is that what we were talking about wrt space and ingress/egress?

[Byteme]

The C6 is perfectly livable day to day, I'm just surprised they made it worse in these areas.

They were trying to address an area of frequest criticizm IIRC, less than great seating. 

I wonder what percentage of Corvette owners ever see a track with their car? 

[MX793]

Ah, the market of people who can't afford a corvette 


Anything in that price range or above is going to have a significant % of fat old guys as buyers. 

Seems like a lot of the 911 owners I've seen tend not to be overweight, but certainly of advanced age.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

They were trying to address an area of frequest criticizm IIRC, less than great seating. 

I wonder what percentage of Corvette owners ever see a track with their car? 

Probably less than one percent, which isn't as hard to believe as one may think.

One out in every 100 corvette owners seems pretty realistic to me.

Sometimes things don't seem to work out the way they should. A car like the corvette(or even 911) would seem to be a common sight at a racetrack, you'd think the percentage on these cars would be pretty high.

Compared to something like a miata, which might have a much higher percentage(though still probably in the 2-3 percent range).

[Byteme]

Poor C7R is going to lose to a 911, Z4, and Viper in its premier at the 24hrs of Daytona

Well no, it won.

[Byteme]

Probably less than one percent, which isn't as hard to believe as one may think.

One out in every 100 corvette owners seems pretty realistic to me.

Sometimes things don't seem to work out the way they should. A car like the corvette(or even 911) would seem to be a common sight at a racetrack, you'd think the percentage on these cars would be pretty high.

Compared to something like a miata, which might have a much higher percentage(though still probably in the 2-3 percent range).

Less than 1 percent wouldn't surprise me at all. 

[MX793]

Well no, it won.

The car that won wasn't a C7R.  C7Rs run in the GT class with other production based cars (like the Viper, 911 GT3, and Z4).  The "Corvette" that won was a prototype class car (purpose built, mid-engine) and completely unrelated.

[68_427]

Well no, it won.

The Corvette DP won overall.  The C7.R didn't do so well, but it was it's very first race.

Corvette DP




C7.R

[Byteme]

The car that won wasn't a C7R.  C7Rs run in the GT class with other production based cars (like the Viper, 911 GT3, and Z4).  The "Corvette" that won was a prototype class car (purpose built, mid-engine) and completely unrelated.

The Corvette DP won overall.  The C7.R didn't do so well, but it was it's very first race.

Corvette DP



C7.R

Whoops, thanks for the clarifications

[68_427]

2nd :/  Oh well

[GoCougs]

Ah, the market of people who can't afford a corvette 

Anything in that price range or above is going to have a significant % of fat old guys as buyers. 

No; trying to grab the M3/Cayman/911/S5/C63/etc. buyer who in times past would never ever consider a Corvette.

I virtually never see FOGs in the Corvette's competition.

[Lebowski]

No; trying to grab the M3/Cayman/911/S5/C63/etc. buyer who in times past would never ever consider a Corvette.

I virtually never see FOGs in the Corvette's competition.

I see FOGs in all of those, plus many who buy those cars would never buy domestic particularly not a lowly Chevrolet.