Holy crap! Toyota does the unthinkable w/new Corolla!!!

Started by 12,000 RPM, June 07, 2013, 02:30:22 PM

mzziaz

God, that's horrible.

Why not do vanilla bland, instead?
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Northlands

It almost looks sporty. Certainly moved away from being bland. If anything I appreciate the slight change in Toyota's mindset. Therefore, I like it.



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veeman

Hmmm.   Whats the need for Scion?

This car looks good.  I'm not a huge fan of the black plasticky grill but the last generation or two of the corolla looked really bland.  This one has a little bit of swagger and aggression to it.  I'm wondering if the real nice black wheels will be standard or an expensive option.  They add a lot to the look.

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Vinsanity

Quote from: mzziaz on June 08, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
God, that's horrible.

Why not do vanilla bland, instead?

Not sure if serious, but this is why Toyota just can't win with some so-called "enthusiasts"...

TurboDan

Quote from: Vinsanity on June 09, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Not sure if serious, but this is why Toyota just can't win with some so-called "enthusiasts"...

Nor do they have to. I doubt many people on here or any automotive forum would be interested in buying one, period. The bottom line is that most Corolla buyers will see this as them making the car a little more "sporty" and they'll buy the car just as they would have if it was bland as all hell. The redesign is a nod to the Korean design language which is popular these days. Nothing more, nothing less.

CALL_911

Quote from: Vinsanity on June 09, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Not sure if serious, but this is why Toyota just can't win with some so-called "enthusiasts"...

Toyota doesn't really give a shit, these "enthusiasts" wouldn't buy the Corolla if the thing weighed 1500 lbs, was RWD+MT and had a built in ball scratcher.


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MrH

Quote from: CALL_911 on June 09, 2013, 09:06:34 PM
Toyota doesn't really give a shit, these "enthusiasts" wouldn't buy the Corolla if the thing weighed 1500 lbs, was RWD+MT and had a built in ball scratcher.

:clap:

The supposed enthusiast world (and by that, I mean the few thousand that post on car forums and comment on jalopnik) is probably the least important market out there. If they put their money where their mouth is, there'd be brown M5 wagons with manual transmissions every where.
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280Z Turbo

Quote from: MrH on June 09, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
:clap:

The supposed enthusiast world (and by that, I mean the few thousand that post on car forums and comment on jalopnik) is probably the least important market out there. If they put their money where their mouth is, there'd be brown M5 wagons with manual transmissions every where.

I wish Bob Lutz understood this.

Speed_Racer

Quote from: MrH on June 09, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
:clap:

The supposed enthusiast world (and by that, I mean the few thousand that post on car forums and comment on jalopnik) is probably the least important market out there. If they put their money where their mouth is, there'd be brown M5 wagons with manual transmissions every where.

DIESEL M5 wagons. Because the internet loves diesels

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cawimmer430

Quote from: Madman on June 08, 2013, 09:58:15 AM
The sheeple who blindly buy Toyotas will have to be literally blind not to run away in terror after seeing this mess.  :facepalm:

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mzziaz

Quote from: Vinsanity on June 09, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
Not sure if serious, but this is why Toyota just can't win with some so-called "enthusiasts"...

Why make ugly instead of bland?

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MrH

So tell me guys, is making a universally accepted beautiful car harder or easier than making something 100% reliable?
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MrH

Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 09, 2013, 09:27:33 PM
I wish Bob Lutz understood this.

But look how many CTS-V wagons they sold! :lol:

Bob Lutz is interesting, but ultimately, I think he was more a loud mouth in the right place at the right time than some visionary like some people like to make him out to be/
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2o6

People don't realize how hard it is to make a good looking car that is still usable in daily life.

MrH

Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2013, 09:24:55 AM
People don't realize how hard it is to make a good looking car that is still usable in daily life.

No, cars are either ugly or pretty.  It's a yes or no question, and my opinion is the universal, objective, deciding factor on it.  I don't understand why OEMs just don't make all cars beautiful

:lol:
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Northlands

Quote from: mzziaz on June 10, 2013, 09:04:11 AM
Why make ugly instead of bland?

Because it's working for Honda and they want in on the phenomenon.

I'm not exactly appalled at this new design and sometimes a bit of change is good. I think Toyota is trying to grab some younger buyers for the Corolla. This is just anecdotal, but I find most Corolla owners around here seem to all be in their early 50's. This new design will appeal to a different buyer, and the 50's-60's crowd tend to hold on to their cars for quite a long time. Toyota seeking new blood?  :huh:



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giant_mtb

So. Usually everybody is mad at Toyota for having too bland-looking cars, correct?  Then as soon as they put something like this out there that isn't bland...everybody's mad at the lack of blandness?

I feel like some of you hate on Toyota just to hate on Toyota. :huh:

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giant_mtb

THEIR CARS ARE SO BLAND.  UGH.

*Toyota releases not-bland car*

WHAT THE HELL. I WANT THE BLAND BACK.  SO UN-TOYOTA.

:facepalm:

12,000 RPM

Nobody said Toyota should go back to making bland cars. Strawman. First post was an admitted overreaction.  Distinctive isn't always better though. You def dont forget cars like the new Cherokee or IS. This isn't as bad but it's not really an improvement over the last one exterior wise

Good that they finally updated the transmission though.
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giant_mtb

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 10, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
Nobody said Toyota should go back to making bland cars. Strawman. First post was an admitted overreaction.  Distinctive isn't always better though. You def dont forget cars like the new Cherokee or IS. This isn't as bad but it's not really an improvement over the last one exterior wise

Good that they finally updated the transmission though.

You take arguing on the internet very seriously, don't you?  I expected better. :lol:

Quote from: Raza  on June 08, 2013, 05:03:06 AM
That looks awful.  What happened to Toyota's comforting conservative blandness?   

Quote from: mzziaz on June 08, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
God, that's horrible.

Why not do vanilla bland, instead?

cawimmer430

Quote from: giant_mtb on June 10, 2013, 10:18:12 AM
So. Usually everybody is mad at Toyota for having too bland-looking cars, correct?  Then as soon as they put something like this out there that isn't bland...everybody's mad at the lack of blandness?

I feel like some of you hate on Toyota just to hate on Toyota. :huh:

The good-looking Toyota products died out during the early '80s. IMO the '70s was their best decade of style.

This car looks tacky, ugly and still bland. It has nothing to do with "Toyota hate" IMO. A boring mainstream car can be made to look "nice" with the right body kits and add-ons. But here, these add-ons just don't work (at least for me).


Strangely, the new Camry can look pretty nice in sport trim.
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Madman

Quote from: giant_mtb on June 10, 2013, 10:18:12 AM
So. Usually everybody is mad at Toyota for having too bland-looking cars, correct?  Then as soon as they put something like this out there that isn't bland...everybody's mad at the lack of blandness?

I feel like some of you hate on Toyota just to hate on Toyota. :huh:


You make it sound as if bland and ugly are the only two choices Toyota had.  Here's a radical idea; how about Toyota making a beautiful car?  You know, something that actually looks good?  Does Toyota actually know how to design such a thing?  If not, they need to hire some people who do.  Look what Peter Schreyer did for Kia.
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giant_mtb

I honestly think newer Avalons are seriously good-looking cars.  I wouldn't call them beautiful, but there aren't that many cars that I personally call beautiful.

CALL_911

Quote from: Madman on June 10, 2013, 09:29:29 PM
Look what Peter Schreyer did for Kia.

Design cars that are going to age like pornstars?


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