The problem with CarSPIN - Life in The Fast Lane

[r0tor]

You missed the entire point of the argument.  No one said they focus too much on Ring times.  The statement made was that the ring was the worst thing to ever happen to cars.

Yeah, it's an opinion.  It's also a stupid one.  If you're going to sling garbage like that around, at least expect to get called out on it.  I never once equated performance to being the determining factor in fun.  I've argued against it.  Hell, I owned a miata for awhile and now a BRZ.  That whole argument was based on the LaFerrari being called boring.

If you're going to call what's shaping up to be one of the best performing calls of all time "boring" and the ring "the worst thing to ever happen to cars", expect to be ridiculed.

Your BRZ and Miata are the absolute opposite of cars developed on the ring.  Cars developed on the ring chasing times have huge ass sticky tires and insanely high limits - the opposite of what your BRZ has for tires and the reason the BRZ is praised for being "playful" in the real world.  Of all people, you should be able to take a step back and instantly see that some of the most fun real world cars like the Miata, BRZ, S2000, RX8, ect have been developed without chasing times at the ring.

[S204STi]

And yet, ironically, the BRZ has been tested on the Ring.

[cawimmer430]

We are not here to talk cars, we are here to ridicule people who make mistakes

We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents!

[hotrodalex]

And yet, ironically, the BRZ has been tested on the Ring.

Tested/developed or lapped afterwards?

[S204STi]

All Subarus get development/testing time on the Ring.

[r0tor]

And yet, ironically, the BRZ has been tested on the Ring.

But yet, its not setup to actually turn fast laps on the Ring... or else it would have fat ass michelin pilots instead of prius tires

[MrH]

Your BRZ and Miata are the absolute opposite of cars developed on the ring.  Cars developed on the ring chasing times have huge ass sticky tires and insanely high limits - the opposite of what your BRZ has for tires and the reason the BRZ is praised for being "playful" in the real world.  Of all people, you should be able to take a step back and instantly see that some of the most fun real world cars like the Miata, BRZ, S2000, RX8, ect have been developed without chasing times at the ring.

And yet, both the miata and BRZ were developed and tuned on the ring.  Damn near every performance car is. 

[Soup DeVille]

Justr because a car is tuned on the 'ring does not mean it is tuned for the absolute quickest times.

[GoCougs]

But yet, its not setup to actually turn fast laps on the Ring... or else it would have fat ass michelin pilots instead of prius tires

Just as with bigger anti-sway bars and stiffer springs, wide sticky tires don't automatically equal to better handling or faster track times.

[r0tor]

And yet, both the miata and BRZ were developed and tuned on the ring.  Damn near every performance car is. 

The miata and other Mazdas are developed and tuned in Miyoshu, Japan.  They go to the ring periodically to verify endurance of parts and visit the autobahns to ensure high speed stability.  Developed and tuned on the ring - not so much...

Similarly, subaru does the vast majority of their development and testing at Tochigi Japan with only fine tweaks and endurance testing on the ring.

The Ring could close up and your street car would remain unchanged.

[r0tor]

Just as with bigger anti-sway bars and stiffer springs, wide sticky tires don't automatically equal to better handling or faster track times.

You can stick a set of gumball tires on anything and have faster lap times over Prius tires.  The sheer fact that they sell the BRZ with prius tires means Ring times meant zilch in their development.

[Soup DeVille]

The miata and other Mazdas are developed and tuned in Miyoshu, Japan.  They go to the ring periodically to verify endurance of parts and visit the autobahns to ensure high speed stability.  Developed and tuned on the ring - not so much...

Similarly, subaru does the vast majority of their development and testing at Tochigi Japan with only fine tweaks and endurance testing on the ring.

The Ring could close up and your street car would remain unchanged.

So, your argument is that unless its tuned specifically for low lap times, there's no point?

[280Z Turbo]

The nurburgring is a horsepower track. I've never really cared for super fast hp tracks.

[280Z Turbo]

So, your argument is that unless its tuned specifically for low lap times, there's no point?

They were trying to go for the longest time possible. The 2014 model will come with a nurburgring package that includes a trailer hitch for towing lead weights.

[Soup DeVille]

The nurburgring is a horsepower track. I've never really cared for super fast hp tracks.

Some parts of it are, yes: others, not so much. That's why its used- there's a part o it that can be exploited by just about any car out there.

Sure, its going to be the big horsepower monsters that yield the lowest times, but there are technical parts too.

[Soup DeVille]

They were trying to go for the longest time possible. The 2014 model will come with a nurburgring package that includes a trailer hitch for towing lead weights.

Or they were trying for a good time within the constraints they had: you know, cost and fuel economy and all those mundane things that people want in sub-20,000 cars these days. Just because its not a balls out track monster doesn't mean there aren't things they could learn about its handling and high performance use on the track.

[r0tor]

LFA - a car known to be "tuned and developed" at the Ring. 

LFA Nurburgring spec - An LFA that actually uses the suspension developed on the Ring

[12,000 RPM]

Just as with bigger anti-sway bars and stiffer springs, wide sticky tires don't automatically equal to better handling or faster track times.

More grip = faster lap times

Of the 3 options you chose, wide sticky tires are pretty much the only guarantee more grip

And yet, both the miata and BRZ were developed and tuned on the ring.  Damn near every performance car is. 

Nobody cares, honestly. It's just marketing. The Ring is not the be all end all... ESPECIALLY for street cars.

[12,000 RPM]

Heres proof how worthless Ring tuning is

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/spyshots-2012-hyundai-genesis-coupe-facelift-hits-the-nurburgring-38088.html

[MX793]

Heres proof how worthless Ring tuning is

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/spyshots-2012-hyundai-genesis-coupe-facelift-hits-the-nurburgring-38088.html

There's a difference between being tuned on the 'ring and being tuned for the 'ring.

The Nurburgring is a popular track for companies to tune their performance cars because it is more road-like than other closed courses.  The surface is bumpy with lots of dips and there are many different kinds of corners (uphill, downhill, banked, off-camber, constant radius, increasing radius, decreasing radius....).  It offers a lot of road variety in one place and, as a track, is a more controlled environment than public streets.

Also, where did these guys hear definitively that the Gen Coupe was ever going to get a V8 (I realize this article is several years old).  I had only ever heard reported that the motor wouldn't fit under the hood of the coupe.

[Soup DeVille]

Heres proof how worthless Ring tuning is

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/spyshots-2012-hyundai-genesis-coupe-facelift-hits-the-nurburgring-38088.html

Oh, wow.

You should bring this news to every major automobile manufacturer- they'll be so pleased that you're going to save them all that money!

[MrH]

Heres proof how worthless Ring tuning is

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/spyshots-2012-hyundai-genesis-coupe-facelift-hits-the-nurburgring-38088.html

Are you really this dense?

[280Z Turbo]

Is this the SportySPIN phenomenon Cougs talks about?

[GoCougs]

Is this the SportySPIN phenomenon Cougs talks about?

Not me - Lebowski is the one rode that raw and put 'er away wet.

[S204STi]

But yet, its not setup to actually turn fast laps on the Ring... or else it would have fat ass michelin pilots instead of prius tires

Doesn't mean it's still not a standard for car development.  Standards are used all the time, get used to it.

[S204STi]

There's a difference between being tuned on the 'ring and being tuned for the 'ring.

The Nurburgring is a popular track for companies to tune their performance cars because it is more road-like than other closed courses.  The surface is bumpy with lots of dips and there are many different kinds of corners (uphill, downhill, banked, off-camber, constant radius, increasing radius, decreasing radius....).  It offers a lot of road variety in one place and, as a track, is a more controlled environment than public streets.

Also, where did these guys hear definitively that the Gen Coupe was ever going to get a V8 (I realize this article is several years old).  I had only ever heard reported that the motor wouldn't fit under the hood of the coupe.

[68_427]

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[BENZ BOY15]

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