Z28 vs GTR vs 911 Turbo S

[565]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/

Hmmm looks like the 911 Turbo S is slower than the 997 version and now traps less than the GT-R despite more power and less weight. 

I don't know why Nissan sticks with the Dunlops when it offers last decade levels of grip without much compromise for ride comfort.  The Michellin PSS surpasses that tire in all respects and is practically ubiquitous on high performance cars now.

Despite the Camaro's impressive track performance, I'm not sold on it at all.  It's got base C7 levels of performance, for Z06 money, and stripped of creature comforts.  Unless you really really really really want a Camaro for your track work, I just don't see the point.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

The GT-r is not longer a bargain, last time I was at the dealer they are 90K+. Without the cost factor, the GT-R loses much of it's appeal(imo). The Z28 doesn't belong in this comparison. It's hard to go wrong with a 911. I'd take a 911 carrera S over a GT-R(or a carrera or a boxster S or a Cayman GTS/S).

[68_427]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/

Hmmm looks like the 911 Turbo S is slower than the 997 version and now traps less than the GT-R despite more power and less weight. 

I don't know why Nissan sticks with the Dunlops when it offers last decade levels of grip without much compromise for ride comfort.  The Michellin PSS surpasses that tire in all respects and is practically ubiquitous on high performance cars now.

Despite the Camaro's impressive track performance, I'm not sold on it at all.  It's got base C7 levels of performance, for Z06 money, and stripped of creature comforts.  Unless you really really really really want a Camaro for your track work, I just don't see the point.

The Z/28 is quite a bit faster than the C7 around the track.  You can't judge it purely on strait line speed.

Oppenheiser claimed that on a dry track (The ring, as bad as it is for commparisons, is the only track we can compare right now) the Z/28 lapped the same time as the new 991 GT3.

[hotrodalex]

Oppenheiser claimed that on a dry track (The ring, as bad as it is for commparisons, is the only track we can compare right now) the Z/28 lapped the same time as the new 991 GT3.

I heard somewhere that an unofficial lap was only 7:30, not 7:26 like the GT3.

Either way, it's impressive. Straight line speed isn't on the same level, but it corners better. A lot of people claim it's just the tires, but you can't best those type of cars with just tires.

[MexicoCityM3]

These cars play in very different segments.

I saw a 991 Turbo S the other day driving around a freeway here. First I've ever seen. Looks amazing, gave the driver the thumbs-up.

GT-R and Z-28 are not available here. Maybe we'll get the Z-28 later since we do get the LT1.

I think quite a bit of the Z28's track performance is due to those huge 305 R-Compound tires all around. That would get expensive fast, I wonder how much those cost to replace.

[r0tor]

They should strip more of the interior out of the Z28... Camaro interiors are a horrendous piece of crap anyway.

[68_427]

They should strip more of the interior out of the Z28... Camaro interiors are a horrendous piece of crap anyway.

I agree.  They left the rear seats though because they act as a chassis brace but apparently weigh equal to or less than something like the BOSS 302 LS brace does.

[r0tor]

I heard somewhere that an unofficial lap was only 7:30, not 7:26 like the GT3.

Either way, it's impressive. Straight line speed isn't on the same level, but it corners better. A lot of people claim it's just the tires, but you can't best those type of cars with just tires.

On that track, R comps are easily worth over a second.  End of story.

[r0tor]

GT3 beat the Z28 in Autoweek with a GM factory driver... and despite the porsche having a full and fairly luxorious interior and street tires.

[GoCougs]

On that track, R comps are easily worth over a second.  End of story.

Not in this particular comparo - temps were in the 30s...

[veeman]

Even with the GTR being 90+ grand, a Porsche 911 Turbo S is @180 grand.  That's basically 2 Nissans for 1 Porsche.   

[12,000 RPM]

Even with the GTR being 90+ grand, a Porsche 911 Turbo S is @180 grand.  That's basically 2 Nissans for 1 Porsche.

Meh NISMO GT-R and base 911 Turbo are neck and neck in price and the 911 is the much better all around car. GT-R is overpriced in all trims... only really made sense at its original ~70K price point. Performance gap to other ~100K cars isn't enough to overcome its lack of character or refinement. Interior is on the level of something like a 40K EVO.

[Soup DeVille]

Not in this particular comparo - temps were in the 30s...

How warm were the tires?

[GoCougs]

How warm were the tires?

Less warm than optimal, according to the article. They opined they'll get a proper crack at it later (warmer) in the year as part of their best handling comparo.

[Catman]

GTR is getting too expensive and because of that doesn't look as appealing to me at least.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

GTR is getting too expensive and because of that doesn't look as appealing to me at least.