RS3 Concept... V.A.G. proves its uber cool

[r0tor]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/pardon-our-drool-audi-teases-rs3-with-awesome-525-hp-concept/

So as if the >400hp Golf revealed wasn't enough to get the attention of enthusiasts a week or so ago, they just completely blow the roof off the joint with this 525 HP inline 5 powered RS3 concept.
Good god this thing is beautiful.

[MexicoCityM3]

More like VaG proves that they like to turn out a lot of concepts they'll never produce. E-tron this, e-tron that, quattro this, quattro that, clubsport whatever.

[MexicoCityM3]

Plus basically their regular cars with a big engine. Meh.

[MX793]

I would like to see VW make a modern version of the SP2.  Arguably the most attractive vehicle to wear a VW badge.

[r0tor]

More like VaG proves that they like to turn out a lot of concepts they'll never produce. E-tron this, e-tron that, quattro this, quattro that, clubsport whatever.

You just wish BMW would still have the balls to do things like this 

And since the R400 Golf is going into production, its reasonable to think the production RS3 will not be too far away from this concept... Which would utterly stomp anything BMW has

[MexicoCityM3]

You just wish BMW would still have the balls to do things like this 

And since the R400 Golf is going into production, its reasonable to think the production RS3 will not be too far away from this concept... Which would utterly stomp anything BMW has

If by production you mean 20 units, I totally agree with you. Just like the "laser lights" R8.

[MX793]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the TT-RS powertrain show up in the RS3.  I would be surprised to see it making the 500+ hp of this concept, as that would not only stomp anything BMW makes, but also anything in the Audi stable.  I really don't see Audi making an RS3 that will stomp the RS4 or R8 supercar.  At least not at the expected price point of somewhere lower than the aforementioned, higher-end Audi models.

[MexicoCityM3]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the TT-RS powertrain show up in the RS3.  I would be surprised to see it making the 500+ hp of this concept, as that would not only stomp anything BMW makes, but also anything in the Audi stable.  I really don't see Audi making an RS3 that will stomp the RS4 or R8 supercar.  At least not at the expected price point of somewhere lower than the aforementioned, higher-end Audi models.

Exactly. They won't produce this in any number that is relevant.
These are just to generate buzz with LOOK MA LOTS OF POOOWAAAAAHHHHHH

Real innovation and risk taking is commiting billions to increase carbon-fiber capacity and building the first real production cars out of the stuff (tens of thousands of units). Wait for the new CF 7. The i3 and i8 are already here and a generation more advanced than this thing that could be turned out by a tuner.

[12,000 RPM]

O god the understeer

Golf chassis can handle no more than ~250HP.... start throwing more at it, as Keichi says, 'ooooo unda unda unda'. They overleveraged the hell out of that poor platform.

[r0tor]

O god the understeer

Golf chassis can handle no more than ~250HP.... start throwing more at it, as Keichi says, 'ooooo unda unda unda'. They overleveraged the hell out of that poor platform.

Lap times from the TT-RS prove otherwise

[12,000 RPM]

Lap times where compared to what? It's slower around  a mediumish size track than the significantly less powerful/torquey Cayman S



Take away gimmicky launch control and these overpowered Golfs don't leave you much to talk about. The chassis/balance is just not there like in a WRX

[MrH]

O god the understeer

Golf chassis can handle no more than ~250HP.... start throwing more at it, as Keichi says, 'ooooo unda unda unda'. They overleveraged the hell out of that poor platform.

What's the limiting factor that determines how much it can "handle"? And I have no idea what that last sentence is supposed to mean.

[r0tor]

Lap times where compared to what? It's slower around  a mediumish size track than the significantly less powerful/torquey Cayman S



Take away gimmicky launch control and these overpowered Golfs don't leave you much to talk about. The chassis/balance is just not there like in a WRX

Let's look at C&D Lightening Lap results...http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2013-page-10

Let's see at #48 it was faster than the M3, M5, M6, 1M, C63 & E63 AMG, Shelby gt500, camaro SS, C6 base corvette, 370Z, ect.... Clearly it is an under steering pig that can't handle its power

[r0tor]

Furthermore, on the C&D lightening lap results, it puts down faster laps then where its power to weight ratio would suggest for VIR - meaning it handles its power better then average among the best sporting cars on the road
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/lightning-lap-2012-plotting-performance.pdf

[12,000 RPM]

What's the limiting factor that determines how much it can "handle"?

Whatever factor makes it hella understeery, or slower/less grippy than cars with slower straight line speed + similar tires

And I have no idea what that last sentence is supposed to mean.

That's not necessarily my fault

Seems pretty clear to me though... you have a platform underpinning everything from a $20K economy car to a $70K sports car something's gotta give. The TT should have its engine between the cabin and rear wheels, not way out ahead of the front wheels.

[Char]

More like VaG proves that they like to turn out a lot of concepts they'll never produce. E-tron this, e-tron that, quattro this, quattro that, clubsport whatever.

Overpriced shitboxes that put in the price range of real cars. The only people who would even consider half of that trash are Dbag VW Golf/Jetta drivers. 

[r0tor]

Ahh... I see you get internet access under your bridge... Good for you

[68_427]

lol under a bridge = troll


Got it the second time. 

[Char]

Ahh... I see you get internet access under your bridge... Good for you

Yeah, you tell me the target demographic of a 50K golf and I will show you a tool bag.

[GoCougs]

lol under a bridge = troll


Got it the second time. 

Yes, that was some quite good Internetry.

[r0tor]

lol under a bridge = troll


Got it the second time. 

That was so old school C&D forum... Must have been the rum I've been drinking

[68_427]

Time to hop on GT6 then, eh?

[MexicoCityM3]

Also, instead of useless show cars, BMW is actually testing the next M2 on the Nürburgring:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM39l-VfCW4

[Char]

Yeah, you tell me the target demographic of a 50K golf and I will show you a tool bag.

I noticed everyone went silent on this. Why, are you going to line up for a 50K economy car? Hahaha, ok.

[12,000 RPM]

No, people went silent because you've gone full Pavlovian

[Char]

No, people went silent because you've gone full Pavlovian

It couldn't just be because you don't live in a reality where cars like this won't sell? Couldn't be.

[2o6]

I noticed everyone went silent on this. Why, are you going to line up for a 50K economy car? Hahaha, ok.

Have you driven the car?



Well, you know the drill.

[r0tor]

Any car that has 4 wheels is an economy car... A V8 is just 2 econobox 4 bangers, a V12 is 3.  Econoboxes have turbo I3s so a twin turbo I6 is just two of those put together.  A 911 is obviously still just a 1960s era beetle.  An M3 is just an expensive 3 series which is in itself just an overly priced Fiesta since they share a McPhearson strut front suspension and the BMW just uses two Fiesta turbo 3 bangers.  A corvette is really just a lowered pick up truck.   Muscle cars are no different - just an econobox with two engines.

[12,000 RPM]

It couldn't just be because you don't live in a reality where cars like this won't sell? Couldn't be.

Lol you must have saw the senior with the GTI making out with the girl you like today. That you bumped a 3 day dead thread to argue about VWs says it all.

[Char]

Lol you must have saw the senior with the GTI making out with the girl you like today. That you bumped a 3 day dead thread to argue about VWs says it all.

I just like seeing your jimmies getting rustled over me not having respect for the German Yugo's and the people who drive them.