Car Chat

[Soup DeVille]

Prepared track and drag radials, and most RWD cars have trouble holding 5-600 hp off the line without electronic aids. Make that 3-400 for normal tires on normal roads.

[12,000 RPM]

Even w/ electronic aids you still need driving skills

Just bums me out that GM is going to such great lengths to endow the Vette with capabilities its buyers can't use in the first place. Whole thing seems like a waste of time

[CaminoRacer]

Even w/ electronic aids you still need driving skills

Just bums me out that GM is going to such great lengths to endow the Vette with capabilities its buyers can't use in the first place. Whole thing seems like a waste of time

Bruh have you seen the P1, LaFerrari, Huracan, Ford GT? Why is it a problem when GM does it?

[giant_mtb]

Bruh have you seen the P1, LaFerrari, Huracan, Ford GT? Why is it a problem when GM does it?

Wondering that myself. Tis a halo car...it better be able to do things most people aren't capable of.

[12,000 RPM]

Bruh have you seen the P1, LaFerrari, Huracan, Ford GT? Why is it a problem when GM does it?

McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini are all in great financial standing and specialize in high performance cars. LaFerrari & P1 are tech studies for the inevitable hybridization that's coming. Ford GT was equally wasteful and unnecessary IMO.

I just can't be excited about these cars when I know they have some part in many people being robbed of affordable mainstreamers and thousands of people being out of work. You can say 'o no thats a different budget'... bullshit, ultimately it all comes out of the same pot. Someone looked at available capital and decided to spend it on this rather than something more applicable to the mainstream. And it's not like it's a truck or SUV that will yield huge developmental payback, both monetarily or tech wise... what's gonna carry over to the rest of the company outside of the engines? I'm not sold

[FoMoJo]

Bruh have you seen the P1, LaFerrari, Huracan, Ford GT? Why is it a problem when GM does it?

Poop rods?

[CaminoRacer]

McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini are all in great financial standing and specialize in high performance cars. LaFerrari & P1 are tech studies for the inevitable hybridization that's coming. Ford GT was equally wasteful and unnecessary IMO.

I just can't be excited about these cars when I know they have some part in many people being robbed of affordable mainstreamers and thousands of people being out of work. You can say 'o no thats a different budget'... bullshit, ultimately it all comes out of the same pot. Someone looked at available capital and decided to spend it on this rather than something more applicable to the mainstream. And it's not like it's a truck or SUV that will yield huge developmental payback, both monetarily or tech wise... what's gonna carry over to the rest of the company outside of the engines? I'm not sold

Are you a car enthusiast or a business case enthusiast?

[CaminoRacer]

Poop rods?

Ford has finally seen the light on those

[giant_mtb]

McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini are all in great financial standing and specialize in high performance cars. LaFerrari & P1 are tech studies for the inevitable hybridization that's coming. Ford GT was equally wasteful and unnecessary IMO.

I just can't be excited about these cars when I know they have some part in many people being robbed of affordable mainstreamers and thousands of people being out of work. You can say 'o no thats a different budget'... bullshit, ultimately it all comes out of the same pot. Someone looked at available capital and decided to spend it on this rather than something more applicable to the mainstream. And it's not like it's a truck or SUV that will yield huge developmental payback, both monetarily or tech wise... what's gonna carry over to the rest of the company outside of the engines? I'm not sold

It's the Corvette's fault that some people don't have jobs?  It's the Corvette's fault that you can buy a Chebby Spark for <$14k MSRP...?  Shit, a Cruze starts at $18k...that's a pretty affordable mainstreamer.

[FoMoJo]

Ford has finally seen the light on those

For trucks .

[BimmerM3]

I just can't be excited about these cars when I know they have some part in many people being robbed of affordable mainstreamers and thousands of people being out of work. You can say 'o no thats a different budget'... bullshit, ultimately it all comes out of the same pot. Someone looked at available capital and decided to spend it on this rather than something more applicable to the mainstream. And it's not like it's a truck or SUV that will yield huge developmental payback, both monetarily or tech wise... what's gonna carry over to the rest of the company outside of the engines? I'm not sold

I'd be surprised if the Corvette had much influence on whether or not they decided to continue producing sedans. Sure, there's some limit to their R&D budget, but if there was a strong pro-sedan business case, they'd figure out a way to make it happen.

I don't have the market research and business case analysis that they based their decision off of so I can't speak to whether or not I agree, but it's not like a bunch of execs sat down in a room and had to choose between a MR 'Vette and every other car they make.

It's the Corvette's fault that some people don't have jobs?  It's the Corvette's fault that you can buy a Chebby Spark for <$14k MSRP...?  Shit, a Cruze starts at $18k...that's a pretty affordable mainstreamer.

Well to be fair to Sporty, I think he's talking about the next generation of those vehicles that will never come, not those that are currently available.

[MrH]

McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini are all in great financial standing and specialize in high performance cars. LaFerrari & P1 are tech studies for the inevitable hybridization that's coming. Ford GT was equally wasteful and unnecessary IMO.

I just can't be excited about these cars when I know they have some part in many people being robbed of affordable mainstreamers and thousands of people being out of work. You can say 'o no thats a different budget'... bullshit, ultimately it all comes out of the same pot. Someone looked at available capital and decided to spend it on this rather than something more applicable to the mainstream. And it's not like it's a truck or SUV that will yield huge developmental payback, both monetarily or tech wise... what's gonna carry over to the rest of the company outside of the engines? I'm not sold

  There's so much to unpack here...

[2o6]

GM is doing bad?

Cadillac might be misstepping and I'm not convinced axing all car shapes was a good idea, but they're more profitable than ever

[BimmerM3]

GM is doing bad?

Cadillac might be misstepping and I'm not convinced axing all car shapes was a good idea, but they're more profitable than ever

I didn't even bother to double check the premise that they weren't doing great financially.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Even w/ electronic aids you still need driving skills

Just bums me out that GM is going to such great lengths to endow the Vette with capabilities its buyers can't use in the first place. Whole thing seems like a waste of time

PLENTY of Vette owners can/do handle the power these cars make. The majority can't but that can be said of many vehicles! How many Jeep Owners can explore the limits of the rig off road?  Does that stop Jeep from making them even more capable with each refresh? How many Civic Type R owners can handle that car at the limits? Hell most people can't get an Accord to its limits! Should GM stop making cars that have limits higher than 95% of the motoring public can handle? If that's the case we all should be riding around in Bolts....

Bruh have you seen the P1, LaFerrari, Huracan, Ford GT? Why is it a problem when GM does it?

RIGHT! And GM will do it for half the price! WIN WIN!!!

McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini are all in great financial standing and specialize in high performance cars. LaFerrari & P1 are tech studies for the inevitable hybridization that's coming. Ford GT was equally wasteful and unnecessary IMO.

I just can't be excited about these cars when I know they have some part in many people being robbed of affordable mainstreamers and thousands of people being out of work. You can say 'o no thats a different budget'... bullshit, ultimately it all comes out of the same pot. Someone looked at available capital and decided to spend it on this rather than something more applicable to the mainstream. And it's not like it's a truck or SUV that will yield huge developmental payback, both monetarily or tech wise... what's gonna carry over to the rest of the company outside of the engines? I'm not sold

You're acting like GM isn't selling PLENTY of mainstream vehicles! LOL!!!! Out of all the cars/SUVs/Trucks  they sell across the brands they should be able to have a lil fun with the Vette and Camaro!

[FoMoJo]

Interesting build, and story...1972 Datsun 240Z - American Revolution

[CaminoRacer]

I've raced against him before when he had a Grand Sport. I like the 240Z a lot more.

[FoMoJo]

I've raced against him before when he had a Grand Sport. I like the 240Z a lot more.

Did you beat him?

[Laconian]

Audi-owning friend of mine was bitten by the shitty VW GDI carbon buildup bugaboo. Stealership wants $$$.

[shp4man]

Audi-owning friend of mine was bitten by the shitty VW GDI carbon buildup bugaboo. Stealership wants $$$.

There may be a chemical fix, rather than a teardown.

[shp4man]

Rush Limbaugh's favorite car? Mercedes Maybach 57s.

[Soup DeVille]

Rush Limbaugh's favorite car? Mercedes Maybach 57s.

Maybachs aint Mercedes.

[Submariner]

Rush Limbaugh's favorite car? Mercedes Maybach 57s.

Pfff.  When I'm snorting prescription pain killers I want the seats to recline all the way flat.

[Submariner]

Maybachs aint Mercedes.

The new "maybach" is a stretched LWB S-class.

Unless you're talking about the time when Willhem was making the Maybachs.

[Soup DeVille]

The new "maybach" is a stretched LWB S-class.

Unless you're talking about the time when Willhem was making the Maybachs.

Its the same thing when people say "Lincoln Continental Mark II.".

May as well be talking about Volkswagen Bugattis.

[BimmerM3]

Maybach was a separate make during the era of the 57 and 62, a la Rolls for BMW or Bentley for VW.

It is correct to call the current iteration a "Mercedes-Maybach" though. https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/class/maybach-s-class/sedan

[Soup DeVille]

Maybach was a separate make during the era of the 57 and 62, a la Rolls for BMW or Bentley for VW.

It is correct to call the current iteration a "Mercedes-Maybach" though. https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/class/maybach-s-class/sedan

Which aren't 57s.

[BimmerM3]

Which aren't 57s.

Right. I wasn't disagreeing with you - just supplementing.

[Soup DeVille]

Right. I wasn't disagreeing with you - just supplementing.

Is anybody surprised Rush's info is at best half-right?

[shp4man]

Is anybody surprised Rush's info is at best half-right?

Or maybe far right. 

He said Schnerdly was at an MB dealer getting his car serviced and saw it on the showroom.Told Limbaugh about it, Limbaugh checked it out, was impressed with the quiet and comfort, wrote a check.
Also said his first car was a new '69 LeMans, blue, white vinyl top and interior.