The Manhattan Project II: Sporty's Civic Build

[12,000 RPM]

Eh, you do you man. I certainly don't have room to talk shit. Actually, so don't a lot of people here. H put coilovers and wheels/tires on his BRZ and ended up DD'ing an olde man Genesis. Plus, other people talking shit are probably jelly that their SO won't let them modify their cars.

I feel you on the impracticality. Having a two door/two seat car as an only/main car blows. Plus, having lower consumable costs is always nice. I would have gone for an Si, though, because they were actually good cars. That K20 is so nice, and isn't like the current Si's K24 where Honda went full retard and put the fucking header in the block.

Other than that, I'm excited to see where you take this thing.

Yea its a damn shame what they did to the K. It doesnt seem like it hurt much though. People are getting 210-220WHP with bolt ons and tunes. Plus, easy turbo 

Every time I go to get gas I'm glad I didn't get the K20. It's definitely faster but I just don't like the power delivery. I have plans though 

[hotrodalex]

As the person on here who has done the most to his car, I'd keep this one stock.

[SVT_Power]

The mental gymnastics to get to where he is is just funny, that's all.

The Z is too harsh for daily driving.  A Civic Si is too much performance.  So he bought a standard Civic, and is now going spend even more to get wheels and suspension to lower it.  It'll now be harsher than an Si, more expensive, and slower.

The harshest ride I've ever experienced was a friend's 8th gen civic with Honda's Factory Performance suspension. Jesus that thing was a rough POS.

[12,000 RPM]

What exactly is "legit" damping?

In summary, damping by a company that supplies OEMs or has racing cred (i.e. Tokico, KYB, Koni, Bilstein etc). Or to put it another way, NOT that Taiwanese "32 way adjustable" crosstalking crap. Has to be designed for stiffer and lower springs, but most legit performance dampers/coilovers are.

The harshest ride I've ever experienced was a friend's 8th gen civic with Honda's Factory Performance suspension. Jesus that thing was a rough POS.

HFP 8th gen setup is agreed to be too harsh by everybody on 8thcivic.com. It's something with the damping. Other shocks work great

As the person on here who has done the most to his car, I'd keep this one stock.

Why?

[SVT666]

The harshest ride I've ever experienced was a friend's 8th gen civic with Honda's Factory Performance suspension. Jesus that thing was a rough POS.

A buddy of mine has a 2005 Civic SiR and it's stiffer and rougher than the lowered Mustang I modified years ago.

[Cookie Monster]

As the person on here who has done the most to his car, I'd keep this one stock.

As the person on here with the most unlivable DD, I wouldn't.

[hotrodalex]

Why?

It's a Civic, supposed to be a DD. I don't think springs and shocks are gonna change anything except possibly make it ride stiffer, which is silly.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

As the person on here who has done the most to his car, I'd keep this one stock.

I agree! Put that money into the Z or the bike!

[Eye of the Tiger]

As the person on here with a lifted Accent with a stiff ride that will soon be a lowered (again) Accent with a stiff ride, I say do what you want and keep the original parts in case you have back problems in the future.

[12,000 RPM]

A buddy of mine has a 2005 Civic SiR and it's stiffer and rougher than the lowered Mustang I modified years ago.

7th gen Civics have shit suspension designs though, and in any case all spring/shock combos aren't the same

It's a Civic, supposed to be a DD. I don't think springs and shocks are gonna change anything except possibly make it ride stiffer, which is silly.

It will look better and handle better. And no offense but I think building an El Camino to do auto-X is a lot sillier. But that's the choice you made, and even though I wouldn't do it I respect that that's what you want. I really don't see what is so impossible to comprehend about wanting to make a daily driver more fun. We are not talking a full race setup or a ricey hellaflush setup. We are talking lowering it no more than an inch and a half and upgrading the shocks to match. Maybe a stronger RSB and definitely some better wheels and tires. No different from a sport package on something like a Bimmer 3, just not OEM

[2o6]

A buddy of mine has a 2005 Civic SiR and it's stiffer and rougher than the lowered Mustang I modified years ago.

Que? The Si/SiR EP3 if anything is too soft

[hotrodalex]

7th gen Civics have shit suspension designs though, and in any case all spring/shock combos aren't the same
It will look better and handle better. And no offense but I think building an El Camino to do auto-X is a lot sillier. But that's the choice you made, and even though I wouldn't do it I respect that that's what you want. I really don't see what is so impossible to comprehend about wanting to make a daily driver more fun. We are not talking a full race setup or a ricey hellaflush setup. We are talking lowering it no more than an inch and a half and upgrading the shocks to match. Maybe a stronger RSB and definitely some better wheels and tires. No different from a sport package on something like a Bimmer 3, just not OEM

I took a poor handling car and made it acceptable for modern standards. A Civic is already a comfortable, decently good handler. Personally, I think it fits the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" category.

[AutobahnSHO]

I wish I had money laying around to build a street car or go crazy and build subie into offroader.

I just laugh that you deny that deep down rice fanaticism. 

[MrH]

A buddy of mine has a 2005 Civic SiR and it's stiffer and rougher than the lowered Mustang I modified years ago.

That doesn't count. That chassis is so floppy, you could put solid metal blocks in place of the springs, and it'd still feel soft. Everything else just flexs. It's got the torsional rigidity of warm butter

[MX793]

That doesn't count. That chassis is so floppy, you could put solid metal blocks in place of the springs, and it'd still feel soft. Everything else just flexs. It's got the torsional rigidity of warm butter

Ha!  I was going to say the exact same thing.

[SVT666]

Que? The Si/SiR EP3 if anything is too soft

His SiR made my SVT Focus feel like Cadillac in comparison.

[SVT666]

That doesn't count. That chassis is so floppy, you could put solid metal blocks in place of the springs, and it'd still feel soft. Everything else just flexs. It's got the torsional rigidity of warm butter

LOL.  True, but the point is, I put Ford Racing springs on it and it rode like shit, but was still more comfortable than my buddy's SiR.

[Cookie Monster]

Speaking of undrivable, I got the Miata stuck on the entrance of the parking garage at work today.

[SVT666]

I get where Sporty is coming from (I was just ribbing you).  Once my wife gets the Mazda3,I want to put springs/dampers, exhaust, and wheels on the G. Wheels are tough though because stock wheels are nice already, but ours are getting dinged up from winter driving.

[12,000 RPM]

I took a poor handling car and made it acceptable for modern standards. A Civic is already a comfortable, decently good handler. Personally, I think it fits the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" category.

It has room to play. The chassis can handle more grip, and more grip requires a better suspension. Plus roads down here are not that bad... the Z's stiff suspension is not an issue here; it's the road noise from it that is annoying. The Civic is a Lexus by comparison. So I think tweaking it a little to fit my tastes will be fine. It won't ruin the car at all. U took a crap (no offense) platform and made it OK. Why can't I take an OK platform and make it great?

I get where Sporty is coming from (I was just ribbing you).  Once my wife gets the Mazda3,I want to put springs/dampers, exhaust, and wheels on the G. Wheels are tough though because stock wheels are nice already, but ours are getting dinged up from winter driving.

If you have good stock wheels I don't think they are worth replacing. Stock Si wheels are like 17x7.5... those with 225/40s run great on the Civic. If I were to keep + invest in the Z I would probably just switch to the updated wheels which are the same size as mine or the 19s from the old G35 coupe. The track wheels on Gs/Zs are Rays which are like the BBS of Japan. You are right to not bother with wheels...

[2o6]

His SiR made my SVT Focus feel like Cadillac in comparison.

The soft suspension is why I like the EP3 so much

I took a poor handling car and made it acceptable for modern standards. A Civic is already a comfortable, decently good handler. Personally, I think it fits the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" category.

The civic is kind of soft, and stiffer springs would go a longer way to making the car feel sharper and more responsive

Idk why you guys are giving him shit or acting like modding a HONDA CIVIC, One of the most nodded cars on the planet, is such a new concept

[GoCougs]

I get where Sporty is coming from (I was just ribbing you).  Once my wife gets the Mazda3,I want to put springs/dampers, exhaust, and wheels on the G. Wheels are tough though because stock wheels are nice already, but ours are getting dinged up from winter driving.

The AWD G does not do well with suspension mods (well, no car does really). The G is particularly sensitive as Nissan's ATTESA depends heavily on expected inputs from what the car is doing.

[SVT666]

The AWD G does not do well with suspension mods (well, no car does really). The G is particularly sensitive as Nissan's ATTESA depends heavily on expected inputs from what the car is doing.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[SVT666]

If you have good stock wheels I don't think they are worth replacing. Stock Si wheels are like 17x7.5... those with 225/40s run great on the Civic. If I were to keep + invest in the Z I would probably just switch to the updated wheels which are the same size as mine or the 19s from the old G35 coupe. The track wheels on Gs/Zs are Rays which are like the BBS of Japan. You are right to not bother with wheels...

Our stock wheels are chipped up from winter driving. I would like gunmetal grey wheels if I could find some that look good.

[SVT666]

The soft suspension is why I like the EP3 so much

The SiR has rock hard suspension. Feels like the wheels are bolted to the frame. 

[GoCougs]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You're gonna want to do some research on how ATTESA works.

[hotrodalex]

The soft suspension is why I like the EP3 so much



The civic is kind of soft, and stiffer springs would go a longer way to making the car feel sharper and more responsive

Idk why you guys are giving him shit or acting like modding a HONDA CIVIC, One of the most nodded cars on the planet, is such a new concept

Well most modded Civics are garbage, so...

I think the money would be better spent on Z parts, bike parts, or maybe a track day. I'd kill to have a stock Civic as a DD so I could go further with my El Camino. I wouldn't mod the Civic because to me, the point of it is to be a car I just get in and drive with no hassle or thought put into it. If he wants to mod it, go ahead, I saying it's not what I would do.

[hotrodalex]

You're gonna want to do some research on how ATTESA works.

What about a Tesla?

[GoCougs]

What about a Tesla?

He owns a Tesla?

[68_427]

Can't wait to absorb all the h8 when I slam the outback