Haterade for everyone!!

[AutobahnSHO]

LOL

[68_427]

Oh... Also... where's da torqs?

Yeah the ford 6.2l is pretty worthless isn't it

[r0tor]

Yeah the ford 6.2l is pretty worthless isn't it

Nice try

[hotrodalex]

Torque doesn't win races.

[FoMoJo]

Torque doesn't win races.

Neither does a 99 mph top speed.

[hotrodalex]

Neither does a 99 mph top speed.

Neither does rolling your pickup down a ravine when do something stupid like go 100+ mph with a center of gravity 5 feet off the ground.

[MrH]

Guys, guys...

The argument was already lost when r0tor said this:

No, that's the low end ecoboost torque kicking Chevy's ass... Chevy catches up on horsepower

That's right up there with "Horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races."  Both show a complete lack of understanding of torque and horsepower.

[GoCougs]

(Argument lost)² since the GM 6.2L produces quite a bit more torque than the EcoBoost.

[FoMoJo]

(Argument lost)² since the GM 6.2L produces quite a bit more torque than the EcoBoost.

That's true, but it just shows up a little late in the game to be as effective as EcoBoost.

[FoMoJo]

Neither does rolling your pickup down a ravine when do something stupid like go 100+ mph with a center of gravity 5 feet off the ground.

Neither does tiptoeing through the tulips, but that's besides the point.

[AutobahnSHO]

Hey let's go rent some trucks and race them

[Soup DeVille]

Hey let's go rent some trucks and race them

All i know is I'm not letting any of these guys borrow my truck; and especially not if they're going to be towing with it.

[Rupert]

epic pwnage itt

[r0tor]

Guys, guys...

The argument was already lost when r0tor said this:

That's right up there with "Horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races."  Both show a complete lack of understanding of torque and horsepower.

I feel sorry for you alma mater

[AutobahnSHO]

All i know is I'm not letting any of these guys borrow my truck; and especially not if they're going to be towing with it.

You don't put a trailer on that's exactly the max towing rate and keep the accelerator floored all the time????   

----------------------

stock truck racing would be epic.

[GoCougs]

That's true, but it just shows up a little late in the game to be as effective as EcoBoost.

Then why is the Silverado the quicker truck - esp. look at those passing numbers.

[r0tor]

Then why is the Silverado the quicker truck - esp. look at those passing numbers.

Oops, let me help you with that

[GoCougs]

So how exactly is it that the Silverado is out in front of your laughably covered-up 1/4 mile and way out in front in 30-50 and 50-70 passing?

(And no, for the love of the sweet baby JESUS, it is NOT horsepower overcoming torque or w/e you keep carrying on about.)

[MX793]

So how exactly is it that the Silverado is out in front of your laughably covered-up 1/4 mile and way out in front in 30-50 and 50-70 passing?

(And no, for the love of the sweet baby JESUS, it is NOT horsepower overcoming torque or w/e you keep carrying on about.)

Gearing and power curve shape.

[hotrodalex]

Oops, let me help you with that

So salty

[r0tor]

Holy fuck. Trucks no longer use gears, just final drives!!!


Edit... Lol. Cougs just deleted his incriminating p0st

[SVT666]

This is worse than Camaro vs Mustang.  I love it.

[MrH]

I feel sorry for you alma mater

Swing and a miss.  Strike 2!

[GoCougs]

Gearing and power curve shape.

Probably not. Despite my prognostication to the contrary the F150 has a slight advantage at this magical 2,500 rpm launch rpm but from ~20 mph till top speed the Silverado puts more torque to the street, far more so past ~4,000 rpm - just look at that red line. For 1st gear:

Silverado:
@ 2,500 rpm:  ~400 lb-ft * 4.56:1 * 3.23:1 = 5,892 lb-ft
@ 4,100 rpm (max torque RPM):  460 lb-ft * 4.56:1 * 3.23:1 = 6,775 lb-ft
@ 5,750 rpm red line: 375 lb-ft * 4.56:1 * 3.23:1 = 5,523 lb-ft

F150:
@ 2,500 rpm:  420 lb-ft * 4.17:1 * 3.55:1 = 6,217 lb-ft
@ 2,500 rpm (max torque rpm):  420 lb-ft * 4.17:1 = 6,217 lb-ft
@ 6,000 rpm red line: 275 lb-ft * 4.17:1 = 4,071 lb-ft

Given the Silverado has a far meatier torque curve and pulls ahead after launch (esp. 1/4-mile trap speed) = the classic hallmark of traction issues. The EcoBoost isn't terrible it just doesn't match the new GM 6.2L pooprod.

[GoCougs]

Swing and a miss.  Strike 2!

Only strike 2?

[hotrodalex]

Only strike 2?

9th inning, 2 outs, 2 strikes

[r0tor]

Let me help you again...

...oh and thats right, the corvette with performance exhaust dyno is actually different!  Who the hell would have guessed a car engine with an optimized intake and exhaust would have more torque and power then a truck equivalent.


In conclusion, bazinga bitch

[MX793]

Probably not. Despite my prognostication to the contrary the F150 has a slight advantage at this magical 2,500 rpm launch rpm but from ~20 mph till top speed the Silverado puts more torque to the street, far more so past ~4,000 rpm - just look at that red line. For 1st gear:

Silverado:
@ 2,500 rpm:  ~400 lb-ft * 4.56:1 * 3.23:1 = 5,892 lb-ft
@ 4,100 rpm (max torque RPM):  460 lb-ft * 4.56:1 * 3.23:1 = 6,775 lb-ft
@ 5,750 rpm red line: 375 lb-ft * 4.56:1 * 3.23:1 = 5,523 lb-ft

F150:
@ 2,500 rpm:  420 lb-ft * 4.17:1 * 3.55:1 = 6,217 lb-ft
@ 2,500 rpm (max torque rpm):  420 lb-ft * 4.17:1 = 6,217 lb-ft
@ 6,000 rpm red line: 275 lb-ft * 4.17:1 = 4,071 lb-ft

Given the Silverado has a far meatier torque curve and pulls ahead after launch (esp. 1/4-mile trap speed) = the classic hallmark of traction issues. The EcoBoost isn't terrible it just doesn't match the new GM 6.2L pooprod.

You're looking at a single point.  You need to plot power vs vehicle speed in each gear and compare.  Given its arched torque curve, ecoboost has a narrower power band than the 6.2.  Ford also has 2 fewer gears.  The may have done a better job at gearing for 0-60 than Chevy, but gave up some acceleration performance at higher speeds, where extra cogs and a fatter power band give Chevy more flexibility.

[r0tor]

Swing and a miss.  Strike 2!

Do you need a spreadsheet to show you the truck with more torque for half the rpm range has more power as well, which means faster acceleration for half of the rev range, which means it will leave faster and eventually get caught by the more powerful engine.

I will break out a spreadsheet colored with green paint if needed

[hotrodalex]

Or you could just admit that a TTV6 isn't some magical thing and save a lot of effort. But go ahead with that green paint splattered spreadsheet.