Motor Trend vid: GT-R NISMO vs Z06

[hotrodalex]

It lost to a car with 50 less hp, 500 lb more and sitting on an 8 year old chassis by a big margin. Sorry, I'm not very impressed.

You should be unimpressed by most cars, then.

[Cookie Monster]

You should be unimpressed by most cars, then.

Yes, lets compare everything to a GTR.

[r0tor]

Kind of sad the king of the great Chevy small block only makes 550hp

[hotrodalex]

Yes, lets compare everything to a GTR.

"I'd rather have a slower car because the faster car is slower than the fastest car"

Doesn't make much sense.

Kind of sad the king of the great Chevy small block only makes 550hp

Got a dyno for that?

[Cookie Monster]

"I'd rather have a slower car because the faster car is slower than the fastest car"

Doesn't make much sense.

Got a dyno for that?

LOL GM apologists are hilarious. If you're fine with your 3300 lb, 650 hp "supercar" (as GM calls it) getting spanked by an 8 year old GTR with less hp that weighs more than my 4Runner, go right ahead. I'm sorry I'm not as easily pleased with its performance, considering what it should be capable of if it actually worked.

And hell yes I would take a slower car that let me use 100% of its power 100% of the time than a faster car that let me use 100% of its power 10% of the time and then went into limp mode.

[r0tor]

Figure out how a 3600lb car traps the 1/4 mile at 125mph and how it traps less than a 600hp car that weighs 350lbs more...  All data suggests 550hp -shrug-

[hotrodalex]

LOL GM apologists are hilarious. If you're fine with your 3300 lb, 650 hp "supercar" (as GM calls it) getting spanked by an 8 year old GTR with less hp that weighs more than my 4Runner, go right ahead. I'm sorry I'm not as easily pleased with its performance, considering what it should be capable of if it actually worked.

And hell yes I would take a slower car that let me use 100% of its power 100% of the time than a faster car that let me use 100% of its power 10% of the time and then went into limp mode.

The comparison to the GT-R is silly because ALMOST EVERYTHING gets beat by it. So I don't get your point.

[Cookie Monster]

The comparison to the GT-R is silly because ALMOST EVERYTHING gets beat by it. So I don't get your point.

Except that the vette went around the figure 8 faster than the GTR and had higher apex speeds. It was obviously down on power (as stated by Motor Trend in their article) and couldn't catch up to the GTR on the straights. Yes, it probably loses some time to the GTR on corner exit, but if it had its full 650 hp I really doubt it would have lost by that much (if it had lost at all).

[hotrodalex]

If I bought one and had power troubles, I'd just get an aftermarket tune. Or maybe go the Lingenfelter route. Worth it for the chassis IMO.

[Cookie Monster]

If I bought one and had power troubles, I'd just get an aftermarket tune. Or maybe go the Lingenfelter route. Worth it for the chassis IMO.

So you'd go take your brand new $80k car and dump more money into it fixing GM's mistakes and possibly voiding your warranty?

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Not possibly, it would surely void the warranty. Then you'd pray to god that these things don't start popping like the c6 z's. If you drop a aftermarket tune and the motor blows then your going to be out 20+ k to fix it.

[12,000 RPM]

"I'd rather have a slower car because the faster car is slower than the fastest car"

You would rather have a slow car with an overheating engine and no warranty as long as it has a Chevy badge

I think both cars are silly and all the anger over the Z06 problems is overblown. But it does kind of suck that it can't do the one thing it's supposed to do right. That said, this mindless obsession with lap times and bench racing specs are why GM had to take things to such extremes. Truthfully, the Z06 should have been N/A and hardcore as fuck, with a focus on weight reduction and engagement. Could have kept the LS7 truthfully. Corvette ZR1 should have been this garbage. U got wat u wished for. Z51 is the pick of the breed.

[GoCougs]

The comparison to the GT-R is silly because ALMOST EVERYTHING gets beat by it. So I don't get your point.

The point is if you've hitched your wagon to Ford or Chrysler you gotta find ways to do the hate...

Corvettes have never really been track stars and such as it is the C7 Z06 is world class no matter how much haters pile on. To add insult to their injury it's also selling like hotcakes .

[hotrodalex]

So you'd go take your brand new $80k car and dump more money into it fixing GM's mistakes and possibly voiding your warranty?

People dump money into $80k cars all the time. For $85k I could have one of the most badass cars for sale, I don't see the problem. Nor do I really care about warranties, I'm used to old cars.

You would rather have a slow car with an overheating engine and no warranty as long as it has a Chevy badge

I'm really not a huge Chevy fan. Just not a Ford fanboi.

Here's a list of cars I want to get next:

Datsun 510
Datsun 240z
BMW E30 M3
'33 Ford (FFR Hot Rod)
'65 Shelby Cobra (FFR)
FJ Cruiser
Jeep Wrangler
1970s Porsche 911 or 914
1960s VW Beetle
Ford Fiesta ST

None of those are a Chevy.

[SVT666]

The point is if you've hitched your wagon to Ford or Chrysler you gotta find ways to do the hate...

Corvettes have never really been track stars and such as it is the C7 Z06 is world class no matter how much haters pile on. To add insult to their injury it's also selling like hotcakes .

You're so delusional it's not even funny.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I hear there is a video of a new z06 getting walked by a camry v6, apparently they did about 10 runs from a roll and the corvette just kept getting slower. To be fair the camry did have some mods (intake manifold, ground kit and a tune).

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

I find it hilarious that the guys with Miatas in their sigs are concerned with horsepower.......       

[Cookie Monster]

I find it hilarious that the guys with Miatas a Corvette in their sigs are aren't concerned with horsepower.......       

FWIW, I'm concerned with getting what I paid for. If I pay for a 650 hp car, I don't want a 500 hp one.

[r0tor]

FWIW, I'm concerned with getting what I paid for. If I pay for a 650 hp car, I don't want a 500 hp one.

Nah, I think 550hp is realistic

[12,000 RPM]

People dump money into $80k cars all the time. For $85k I could have one of the most badass cars for sale, I don't see the problem. Nor do I really care about warranties, I'm used to old cars.

I'm really not a huge Chevy fan. Just not a Ford fanboi.

Here's a list of cars I want to get next:

Datsun 510
Datsun 240z
BMW E30 M3
'33 Ford (FFR Hot Rod)
'65 Shelby Cobra (FFR)
FJ Cruiser
Jeep Wrangler
1970s Porsche 911 or 914
1960s VW Beetle
Ford Fiesta ST

None of those are a Chevy.

I want to get a 2nd gen MR2 for my next project car and I have a 350Z now. Doesnt make me any less of a biased Honda fanboi. But I throw that asterisk up every time I talk about Big Red

And theres nothing badass about a car that doesn't make its advertised horsepower for more than 2 minutes without completely voiding the warranty.

If you are gonna do that why bother with the Z06 at all? Throw a Procharger on a base C7, or take that 80K and build a sick C5/C6 since you won't have the warranty anyway. W/o the promised performance this car is pointless... no better than a Z51 C7

[68_427]

The Z06 has a hell of alot more kit added than just b00st.

[r0tor]

The Z06 has a hell of alot more kit added than just b00st.

Yea, like a poorly tuned suspension and an air brake on the rear

[hotrodalex]

Yea, like a poorly tuned suspension and an air brake on the rear

LOL lemme see you tune a base C7 that runs a skidpad the same as the Z06.

[12,000 RPM]

The tires alone would help a ton, and would enable more aggressive suspension tuning to further capitalize on that.

U can get damn near any car to corner at a g with sticky enough tires and a stiff enough suspension. Plus as the GT-R showed HP and grip don't mean much if you can't use them to the fullest or have full access to them all the time

[hotrodalex]

So you think you can tune the suspension better than GM chassis engineers with just tires and aftermarket suspension?

I would rather have a FR with a big V8 than the GT-R. More exiting and fun > fastest lap time.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

So you think you can tune the suspension better than GM chassis engineers with just tires and aftermarket suspension?

I would rather have a FR with a big V8 than the GT-R. More exiting and fun > fastest lap time.

Depends, are the chassis engineers any better than the powertrain guys?

If they aren't then it might be a pretty easy target.

How about a different question.

Do you think the <blank> chassis engineer can tune the chassis any better than GM engineers?

<blank> insert Nissan, Porsche, Ford(did wonders with that shitty live axle), Ferrari engineers.

[Cookie Monster]

So you think you can tune the suspension better than GM chassis engineers with just tires and aftermarket suspension?

I would rather have a FR with a big V8 than the GT-R. More exiting and fun > fastest lap time.

Point is, GM apologists are pulling anything out of their ass to defend the fact that their 650 HP "supercar" with full aero still has a bunch of problems and still isn't as fast as an old design. Yeah, it's fast around a figure 8 but after that it doesn't have anything.

[FoMoJo]

The point is if you've hitched your wagon to Ford or Chrysler you gotta find ways to do the hate...

Corvettes have never really been track stars and such as it is the C7 Z06 is world class no matter how much haters pile on. To add insult to their injury it's also selling like hotcakes .

No one ever claimed that GM wasn't a great marketing company.  For that matter, it's their main strength.  The example was set by their founder, William Crapo "Billy" Durant.  I don't disparage of anything GM does.  As a matter of fact, some of my favourite cars were built by GM.  However, sometimes their marketing effort is belied by their product...as in this case.  However, the hoards of GM fans will always rise to their defense.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

No one ever claimed that GM wasn't a great marketing company.  For that matter, it's their main strength.  The example was set by their founder, William Crapo "Billy" Durant.  I don't disparage of anything GM does.  As a matter of fact, some of my favourite cars were built by GM.  However, sometimes their marketing effort is belied by their product...as in this case.  However, the hoards of GM fans will always rise to their defense.

Reminds me of some of the days(years) I spent lurking over at GMInsidenews. It was years ago, back in the dark days of GM. It never ceased to amaze me the length that the true blinded fanboy would goto to defend just about anything GM did. Since the timeframe that I was lurking was during some rough times, it seemed the defenders where on red alert 24/7.

Things like the malibu classic, rebranding the cavalier as cobalt, sticking with 4 speed transmissions, cylinder slap and of course the pre/during/post bankruptcy period. If I had a dollar for everytime someone said "I'm buying a ton of GM stock, it's cheaper than it's ever been, I think it's a no brainer. This baby's going to go up to the moon when X/Y/Z comes out".

Good times, the poor fools are still at it I assume. I can only imagine now that GM has some competent and competitive products how loud some of those guys can be.

[hotrodalex]

Depends, are the chassis engineers any better than the powertrain guys?

If they aren't then it might be a pretty easy target.

How about a different question.

Do you think the <blank> chassis engineer can tune the chassis any better than GM engineers?

<blank> insert Nissan, Porsche, Ford(did wonders with that shitty live axle), Ferrari engineers.

Multiple recent GM performance cars have been hitting way above their weight, chassis-wise. One supposed engine problem and all the sudden the chassis gets shit on for no reason?

Point is, GM apologists are pulling anything out of their ass to defend the fact that their 650 HP "supercar" with full aero still has a bunch of problems and still isn't as fast as an old design. Yeah, it's fast around a figure 8 but after that it doesn't have anything.

"Bunch" of problems? One problem with a lot of speculation thrown around. And you're still pulling this "not as fast as a GT-R" business when it's $50k cheaper and still faster than a bunch of other supercars. Said supercars aren't as fast as the GT-R while still costing more. Are those a failure as well? If GM is retarded for not being able to beat the GT-R, everyone else is retarded too. Fair is fair.

(Especially considering that if you tune the ECU and get rid of the supposed problem, the thing might be faster than the GT-R)

I don't think it's me defending GM at any cost here, it's y'all being idiots about this.